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spieone
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many pins, small fruits.
#8124222 - 03/09/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, here is my problem. My cat made 5 B+ pf style cakes. They were dunked for 24 hours and rolled in dry verm, then misted until the verm was moist (almost saturated). They were placed in a 66 quart tub with 10 1/4 inch holes drilled around the top. It has about a 3 inch layer of geolite with 2 inches of wet perlite on top of that. There is about 2 inches of water in the bottom (geotlite) and a bubble wand with a 60 gallon aquarium pump feeding it from outside the chamber. This air also passes through a tropicaire humidifier setup prior to pumping in to the fc. The cakes do not sit directly on the perlite, they are in lids of wet verm. I take the lid off and fan 1-2 times per day also. I have not been misting because the rh is 99% all the time and I've read that it is not needed if rh is 99%. There is a 40w flourecent grow light above on for 8 hours per day. The cakes have awesome pinsets but the veils seem to break when the shrooms are small (1/2-1 1/2 inches tall) and my fruits seem incredibly small.
Any suggestions? Fan more?(I would think the 60 gallon fish pump would be sufficient) Drill more holes? Should I be misting? HELP PLEASE.
*EDIT* By the way, temps are 70-75 degrees.
Edited by spieone (03/09/08 05:58 PM)
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: spieone]
#8124344 - 03/09/08 06:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You should be misting even at 100% rh. Your cakes are loosing water.
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spieone
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: thedoc8]
#8124474 - 03/09/08 06:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suspected that was true. Will misting 1-2 times per day be enough? Most days will not allow much more due to time restraints.
Also, do you think that not misting is the reason for the small fruits? Should I drill more holes for FAE?
Edited by spieone (03/09/08 06:49 PM)
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: spieone]
#8124577 - 03/09/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suspect that maybe the veils are breaking early because they are suffocating from oxygen deficiency (not enough air exchange), or maybe the substrate is depleted of nutrients preventing them from getting bigger.
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: spieone]
#8124582 - 03/09/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you have pics of FC? Also, what is your climate like, MI here and that complicates things more than I can even start to describe.
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spieone
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: 86jbmccr]
#8124618 - 03/09/08 07:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't have any pics of the FC. The climate here is dry, I'm in the desert. However, I don't see how that would effect anything if the FC is 99% humid and temps never vary from 70-75 degrees. I mean inside is a controlled environment so how would my climate make a difference?
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spieone
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: spieone]
#8125635 - 03/09/08 10:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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BlargIAmDead
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: spieone]
#8125747 - 03/09/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm gonna vote for not enough FAE. If it's in parameters you may have just gotten a shitty strain. Good luck
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#8125765 - 03/09/08 11:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also put the light on a bit more like 10 hours
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RoYaL_fLuSh
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: spieone]
#8125792 - 03/09/08 11:21 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think this is genetic .. you copped a substrain that fruits smaller i think .. your approach sounds good so thats all the answers im left with .. theres nothing wrong with your lighting technique .. i bathe mine in 12 hours on all grows .. and ive noticed that my grows seem to fatten and lengthen more in light than darkness .. most ppl say the opposite .. but ! that could also be the trait of the substrain i ended up with ! .. cubes all have the same groth parameters but i believe that different genetic traits influence such problems as yours .. hope it gets better for you ! cheers ..
Edited by RoYaL_fLuSh (03/10/08 12:00 AM)
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: dstark]
#8125882 - 03/09/08 11:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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A 100 % humidity is almost impossible to achieve but that's nothing to worry about since this is absolutely unnecessary!
Light is needed to initiate fruiting but not needed too much to let the fruits grow, since mushrooms don't gain energy from light like plants do.
You can't do much wrong with enhancing the FAE, but I think your mushrooms just have some "bad" genetics.
Since there's only a limited amount of nutrients and water in the cakes, only a limited amount of fruits can be developed. Sometimes you get some big fruits, sometimes, some more medium sized fruits and sometimes plenty of small fruits. You can't get plenty of big fruits, since there is not enough nutrients and water in the cake (at least this happens quiet rarely). The results can be mixed up i.e. some medium and many small one, some medium and two big ones and so on.
Anyway, you probably won't get any "big" fruits from your cakes, since the specific genetics of your cakes, don't seem to support that kind of growth.
If you desperately want big fruits, take a prints and do another round. Your chances for big or at least medium sized mushrooms are quiet good.
Edited by Fahkface (03/09/08 11:57 PM)
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: Fahkface]
#8125890 - 03/09/08 11:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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^^^^^ cake nazi .. dont listen to him ! JK !
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
#8126093 - 03/10/08 01:25 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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[QUOTE] A 100 % humidity is almost impossible to achieve but that's nothing to worry about since this is absolutely unnecessary!
huh i guess i have one of those impossible tubs.Looking at my guage right now stating 100.
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: xaxphaanes]
#8126994 - 03/10/08 11:03 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's actually quiet simple 
First of all, most gauges don't measure the RH very adequate. Therefore some do show a 100% humidity, although it actually isn't.
As soon as the air in your FC would cross the 100% RH, the water would condensate and the effect would be fog and I'm pretty sure you have never seen fog in your FC  So you wouldn't actually need a gauge, since you could tell by yourself, if it's a 100% RH or not, if threr's fog in your FC.
Due to the fact that the room temperature is mostly lower than the temp in the FC the water in the air condensates when it contacts the cooler sides of the FC, which diminishes the RH as well (so it doesn't even reach the 100% mark).
Additional your FC looses water all the time, since it's not air tight, which again, diminishes the RH.
The only way to actually achieve a real 100% is constant running fog machine.
If your gauge shows a 100% it's a good sign, that you have a nice humidity in your FC, though it's not a 100%! You don't need a 100% RH anyway, so it's actually not worth "arguing" about it 
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spieone
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Re: many pins, small fruits. [Re: Fahkface]
#8127344 - 03/10/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the suggestions all. Hopefully they will be super potent little minis.
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