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Dunk Tek Uncertainty
    #8123170 - 03/09/08 12:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hey people - just curious about the dunk tek. I read Hippie3s method provided by shroomery () and i wanted to know if my understanding of it was right. And i have a few questions about it, too..

You would use the tek after full colonization of the PF cake, and also use it after the cake has dried out/stopped producing flushes. Right? I think i get that part, but its some little things that are not mentioned or were assumed that i dont know. So i guess ive just got a couple of questions..

1. Can you use it for both of those times on the same cake?

2. In the article he says "My prefered method is to dunk each cake individually by placing it in a jar, filling with water, then screw on the lid to keep the cake submerged." Does that mean in a bigger jar? That would make sense, but i could see just filling up the original jar without having to remove the cake and exposing it to contamination.

3. When you are done soaking the cakes, where do you put them? In the fruiting chamber? I know the shrooms dig water, but would it be too much water? Maybe let them drip dry for a bit? (If the perlite/casing was already wet i could see a hazard.) Or just slap em down soggy as you please? I could see either way..

The whole tek, at least as described in the article, seems really risky and that it needs more precautions. I have no experience. The only reason i am asking is because i am preparing to grow for the first time, and this tek seems to be worth it, if it does in fact work. Everything about the cultivation of these beauties appears to rely on every aspect to be sterile, something which dunking seems to lack.

Thanks for checking this out, i appreciate any feed back. Shroom on!!


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Re: Dunk Tek Uncertainty [Re: Mazatec Magic]
    #8123174 - 03/09/08 12:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

On my second grow I did the dunk tek to 2 jars and didn't to another 2 jars.

I dunked right in the same jars used for colonization.

The dunked cakes have about twice as many pins and they started growing about 2 days before the undunked cakes.

It's definatly a good idea and isn't hard at all. Put them in the fridge to slow bacterial growth that could lead to contams...

Good luck on your grow  :thumbup:


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Re: Dunk Tek Uncertainty [Re: dill705]
    #8123175 - 03/09/08 12:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

When their done just put them in the FC on the lid that's on the jars.

Works great for me


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Dunk Tek Uncertainty [Re: Mazatec Magic] * 1
    #8123198 - 03/09/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I never dunk anymore, don't believe in it really, though thousands swear it works, and I'm sure it does.

If you attain proper moisture content in your sub, and your humidity is 99%, with proper misting, there is no need IMHO, to dunk.

My understanding is this, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong:

When you dunk you add only water, no nutrients or food, except maybe any organic material in the water.

The fruits need food to make chill, and the water does not help them become potent like food does.

PF said years ago that overly watered fruits will grow larger, but will dry smaller so to speak.

Test this by a side to side, take one casing or cake to dunk, and one to not dunk, both from a genetic clone of a fruit.

Harvest 140 wet grams from each, then dry separately.

Also, test how much water is actually absorbed by dunking a pint in a quart jar with measured amount of water. I have done this and found over and over that the cakes do not absorb all that much water anyway, and a casing run under the sink will absorb even less.

My conclusions have been bigger is not always better when it comes to fruits, as the larger they are the more water they contain in proportion.

This also applies to harvest time, 140 grams wet of veil intact fruits will dry heavier than 140 grams of mature flat caps.

In my opinion there is an ideal size, and dunking will not help you unless you are at the 3rd or 4th flushes, and even then, since the food is almost gone, there will be less chill per gram when dried, of overly saturated fruits.

But as far as dunking adding water and size to your fruits, that much is true, dunked subs will tend to grow larger fruits especially late in the cycle.

My friend routinely gets 4-6 nice flushes from his casings without ever dunking, and while the last flushes produce fewer and smaller fruits, their potency is second to none.


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Re: Dunk Tek Uncertainty [Re: dill705]
    #8123207 - 03/09/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Totally colonized cakes are mostly resistant to contamination so no worries there. I dunk them in a cup I usually drink out of in my bathroom with another jar on top to keep them submerged. And yes you can use it both times....why wouldn't you? Here's the order you want: birth, dunk for 24 hours, roll in verm, fruit, dunk (roll if it needs it), fruit, dunk, fruit, etc. After about three flushes on cakes ditch it.

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Re: Dunk Tek Uncertainty [Re: Bungalow Bill]
    #8123246 - 03/09/08 12:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe mushrooms are different (they typically are), but with plants, they need water to get the nutrients out of the sub.

The nutrients get dissolved in the water and then the roots pick them up. Again maybe mushrooms are different, but I see no reason for a difference.

True you will have a bigger proportion of water, but if you get more nutrients into the mycelium it should support bigger, stronger mushrooms based on nurtients not just water content.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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