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Night0wl
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First time... Please help =)
#8118730 - 03/08/08 04:04 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hello =). Its my first time to sterilize jars in the kettle and they just got done but there is condensation i can see inside the jar.. there are little drops it looks like from the condensation inside the jar, and the micropore tape is pretty moist when i removed the foil to check.. Seems the steam got in and around it all, i know for a fact the water didnt boil into it. But there is still tiny tiny droplets it appears from the steam inside the jar. 
Is that bad???? Can i still continue to the inoculation phase once the jars are cool to the touch? Or is it ruined from the steam?? Please let me know! 
Thank you
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Night0wl
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Re: First time... Please help =) [Re: Night0wl]
#8118749 - 03/08/08 04:26 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just turned the jar upside down to look at the appearance of the cake inside, and it does look damp in there.. Moisture seems to have penetrated and looks kinda "sticky".. Hopefully that steam didn't ruin these jars! Eeek! Please comment, Thank you. 
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Night0wl
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Thank you. I followed the tek to the T. I did use foil etc. The substrate could have been a bit too wet prior to loading.. and possibly the foil wasn't super tight.
Is adding too much Brown Rice Flour ( i made it myself by grinding it) also why it could be "sticky"?
Should i just add dry verm, or some brown rice flour also to dry it up a bit before i re-sterilize again?
I have not inoculated, so i will dry it up and "fluff" it up a bit and re-sterilize again i guess.
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SLAG
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Re: First time... Please help =) [Re: Night0wl]
#8118815 - 03/08/08 05:12 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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this whole thing is a trial and error process. most of the answers are listed somewhere but there are just so many variables that one must be put through. If you try to add verm and resterilize, this may open a whole new set of issues, or better yet, take you right back to where you were. If you have more jars I would just do up another batch that is smaller but with less water...pc or boil them whatever youre doing, then compare the two sets. with jars only taking 1cc a piece you can inoc 20 with 2 syringes. nock em all and play the trial and error game.....oh wait thats right. you have already begun. GOOD LUCK!!!!!
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Night0wl
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Re: First time... Please help =) [Re: SLAG]
#8118817 - 03/08/08 05:15 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks!
If i try to add verm and re-sterilze, what issues am i open to?
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Re: First time... Please help =) [Re: Night0wl]
#8118830 - 03/08/08 05:25 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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as far as contams are concerned not too much as long they get properly sterilized. But when it comes to being too dry, you may go overboard and not even think you are doing so. Too wet=poop too dry=poop. It all has to be just so to get optimum results. There are a bunch of recipes out there for pf style cakes. Even if your boiling for sterilization. Remember that even after you solve this issue, more will come...more will be solved.
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Night0wl
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Thank you again!
Update=
I checked the jars after cooling now for almost 2 hours.. and there is only slight condensation inside.. It's kinda a bit cloudy at the bottom more than anything.. That is becuase some of the verm is slightly sticking and if i turn the cake up and down for it move, i see a few smaller pieces in the verm stick to the side of the jar. Though there is NO water at the bottom, and not really any droplets throughout, only TINY specks near the bottom from the condensation.. I have never done this before so i don't know if it's too much condensation, or just perfect..
Is this normal for a thin "layer" or few tiny pieces of verm to stick to the side and at the bottom when moving the cake up and down?? I think i may be ok?
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SLAG
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Quote:
mushroommarren said: if you mix to a moist and fluffy consistancy.
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Night0wl
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Re: First time... Please help =) [Re: SLAG]
#8118875 - 03/08/08 06:00 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya thanks, i got that much bro. But i mean it's kinda sticking a tiny bit like i mentioned above after i sterilized it already. Can i still inoculate?
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Re: First time... Please help =) [Re: Night0wl]
#8118899 - 03/08/08 06:25 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would not refuck with it. Just knock em up and see what you get, yours don't sound bad.
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Night0wl
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Re: First time... Please help =) [Re: thedoc8]
#8118912 - 03/08/08 06:30 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you very much =). Glad for the input. I will try to knock em up i guess. Wish me luck.
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thedoc8
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Re: First time... Please help =) [Re: Night0wl]
#8118923 - 03/08/08 06:37 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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One other point, after you steam or pc, don't open till room temp.
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Re: First time... Please help =) [Re: thedoc8]
#8121105 - 03/08/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just knock those bad boys up.
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