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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Chemy]
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So John McCain accepts endorsement from the president days before the president vetos a bill that would outlaw torture as a method of interrogation. What fucking Irony!
John McCain has officially become a stooge. George Bush, eh, doesnt suprise me at all.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Chemy]
#8117301 - 03/07/08 06:55 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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God dammit. Is this guy evil or what? ^ The irony! John McCain scares me being so buddy buddy with George.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: ManianFH]
#8117346 - 03/07/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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McCain voted against a ban on torture (or was it he voted for torture) recently. Either way, he is flipflopping his long-standing and experienced opposition to torture all to appease the conservatives. This pattern of saying-one-thing-and-doing another or bending of principles is quite common if you investigate the history of McCain as Senator. The meme is that he's some sort of maverick. I call bullshit on that - I just think he's a fraud.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: vonhumboldt]
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I hate that term maverick, he is more like an 'old neoconservative' if that makes sense, this country is falling apart.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Chemy]
#8117659 - 03/07/08 08:45 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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I think its lame how the government won't just come out and say YES we torture!
Its really not that big of a deal...waterboarding is fairly mild compared to what others do. For example...ripping teeth out, sleep deprivation, etc.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: aDoS]
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I am almost positive that sleep deprivation is or was one of the recent torture methods endorsed by the US. I know there was a problem where they kept one guy up for two weeks solid and he ended up having a heart attack... I would GUESS that sleep deprivation is practiced today in the US, or in guantanamo as a method of interrogation.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: ManianFH]
#8118252 - 03/08/08 12:00 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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it works
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Chemy]
#8119097 - 03/08/08 08:29 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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waterboarding makes our children safer.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Chemy]
#8119113 - 03/08/08 08:37 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: aDoS]
#8119584 - 03/08/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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aDoS said: it works
torture works? are you sure about that statement?
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: aDoS]
#8119590 - 03/08/08 12:03 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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In Canada right now a terrorist on trial may go free because all of the evidence being used against him was ruled to be illegally obtained through torture by the U.S. So what if it works? Its worthless in court.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Chemy]
#8123093 - 03/09/08 11:39 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I like waterboarding when I'm at the beach. Its better than body surfing and doesn't need a full size surf board.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: xFrockx]
#8123768 - 03/09/08 03:56 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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xFrockx said: In Canada right now a terrorist on trial may go free because all of the evidence being used against him was ruled to be illegally obtained through torture by the U.S. So what if it works? Its worthless in court.
Really? Who? Court is not the most important function of government. Actually crime prevention trumps crime conviction every time.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
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Actually crime prevention trumps crime conviction every time.
That's why more people should carry guns.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: vonhumboldt]
#8124331 - 03/09/08 06:20 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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aDoS said: it works
torture works? are you sure about that statement?
I'm sure about it, I'm just not sure the CIA is willing to go the extra distance for real torture, waterboarding is still just questioning technique, interrogation comes when the blood flows
no one has to know except the dead guy, but who's he gonna tell
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
#8124645 - 03/09/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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http://www.newsweek.com/id/118992
So yeah, essentially we may be causing a situation where we torture someone, then have to send them home to give them a second shot at blowing up a subway. Really intelligent stuff here.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: xFrockx]
#8124853 - 03/09/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Really? Who? Court is not the most important function of government. Actually crime prevention trumps crime conviction every time.
Drug War.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8127660 - 03/10/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: I'm just not sure the CIA is willing to go the extra distance for real torture, waterboarding is still just questioning technique, interrogation comes when the blood flows
you should read more on the secret CIA prisons that ship prisoners to, let's say, more "relaxed" countries where torture is a-ok.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: xFrockx]
#8128535 - 03/10/08 06:17 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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xFrockx said: http://www.newsweek.com/id/118992
So yeah, essentially we may be causing a situation where we torture someone, then have to send them home to give them a second shot at blowing up a subway. Really intelligent stuff here.
Well, they are only throwing out evidence gained from waterboarding Zubaydah. If they don't have anything else, they don't have anything else and never would have even looked at him in the first place. He is not getting off because of waterboarding Zubaydah, they're just not using any info from Zubaydah.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
#8128621 - 03/10/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Oh yeah, waterboarding isn't torture
Are you fuckin serious? Maybe I can come round your place and waterboard you if its so nice.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: bradmassive]
#8128737 - 03/10/08 07:01 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Better that than play ABBA for hours.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
#8128746 - 03/10/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Better that than play ABBA for hours.
Whatever, both are still torture.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: bradmassive]
#8128757 - 03/10/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Neither are.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
#8128838 - 03/10/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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"The United States of America does not torture"
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: KillerPicklez]
#8128867 - 03/10/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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The government doesn't. Some of it's citizens and radio stations do
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
#8129211 - 03/10/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Neither are.
Locking someone in a room an playing ABBA constantly IS psychological torture if they hate ABBA. I don't need to explain why waterboarding is torture.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding *DELETED* [Re: bradmassive]
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Chemy]
#8129480 - 03/10/08 09:14 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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So is ABBA. Unless you're into it. . .. ... No, forget I wrote that. Nobody could possibly withstand ABBA.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
#8129507 - 03/10/08 09:21 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: So is ABBA. Unless you're into it. . .. ... No, forget I wrote that. Nobody could possibly withstand ABBA.
Its worse than waterboarding.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well, some would say that Frank Zappa sucks too, but who am I to judge. Water boarding is definiely worse than Zappa though.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: xFrockx]
#8131193 - 03/11/08 10:22 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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waterboarding sure is torture....
we prosecuted our own soldiers in vietnam for waterboarding viet cong...why would we have done that if it wasent torture?
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: boomer q]
#8132921 - 03/11/08 05:28 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Really? Link please. I never heard that.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
#8132932 - 03/11/08 05:31 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Really? Link please. I never heard that.
Wikipedia is your friend.
It was also a favorite torture of Pol Pot and Pinochet. But don't worry it's not torture. You see, the United States does not torture. So anything the United States does is by definition not torture. Joseph Heller would be proud.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Yossarian22]
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Thank you. From the Wiki: "Waterboarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals"
US Generals are not authorized to designate something as illegal, they can only prohibit it as military policy. Waterboarding is already proscribed as military policy. The CIA is not the military.
Further, the military is not allowed to do a whole lot of things to POWs that are not remotely considered torture. The fact that the military does not do something does not necessarily mean that the thing they don't do is torture.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
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The generals didn't just proscribe it as an individual act, it was banned because it broke the Geneva Convention, the United Nations Convention Against Torture, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It's torture because it fits the definition of torture: "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions."
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Yossarian22]
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My ex-wife's voice on the phone qualifies as torture under that ridiculous definition. It renders the word meaningless.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: Chemy]
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Drinks: Moonshine
No drugs allowed, most attendees will be cops so you are warned, you low lifes.
Tell me you aren't so silly that you think moonshine isn't a drug. Please.
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Re: Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: My ex-wife's voice on the phone qualifies as torture under that ridiculous definition. It renders the word meaningless.
That was a witty and intelligent contribution.
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