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To cover substrate or let it be *DELETED*
    #8104529 - 03/05/08 01:51 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: deadatdusk]
    #8104849 - 03/05/08 05:10 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Untape the holes for quicker colonization and less chance of it being stunted.

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: Luce]
    #8105086 - 03/05/08 07:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Luce said:
Untape the holes for quicker colonization and less chance of it being stunted.




With my borat accent "NOT!"  :smile:  Your not totally wrong- but OPEN holes would be bad at _2_ days into his run.

I don't remove my tape until I am ready to start it fruiting.  DUCTTAPE is NOT AIRTIGHT anyways, so keep that in mind.


You do not want to open up your tub to open air until your 100% colonized.  you pull that tape off at %25  you have 75% of your medium (pretend its a big petri dish) exposed, and contams can settle right in. 

Once there is no more medium let uncolonized,  you can have at it.

SOME co2 buildup is a trigger for myc growth- yes, to much will stall you out, but thats really hard unless you make your mono AIR TIGHT.

THEN the FRESH air itself is one of the triggers for your pins to pop up.  You want to be able to flip that switch.


Due to your high spawn ratio- don't worry about the cover.  Let that baby get about 90% and toss a caseing layer on top- then fruit it out.


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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: Civ]
    #8106858 - 03/05/08 04:29 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Even if you have foil on the jars? I'm a noob, but looking around it seems as though this isn't needed and was an old way of doing things that wasn't needed. I personally took the tape off mine and have them sitting in a bucket incubator at 80deg that I had cleaned down with alcohol and have a towel over top. This is not the way to go?

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: Civ]
    #8106865 - 03/05/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Could just use polyfil and forget about the taping and untaping

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: ello619]
    #8112544 - 03/06/08 06:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you Civ that's just the answer I was looking for! Removing the duct tape off jars is advisable if using a verm barrier or whatnot in a BRF jar, but I'm asking as it pertains to monotub colonization. I plan to remove the tape once the casing layer is colonized and replace it with polyfill to allow for FAE and thus trigger pinning.

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: Luce]
    #8112617 - 03/06/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Even if you have foil on the jars? I'm a noob, but looking around it seems as though this isn't needed and was an old way of doing things that wasn't needed. I personally took the tape off mine and have them sitting in a bucket incubator at 80deg that I had cleaned down with alcohol and have a towel over top. This is not the way to go?




The original poster is talking about a monotub, not jars. You're good with your jars.


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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: deadatdusk]
    #8112623 - 03/06/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

keep holes covered and cover your substrate. CO2 is not a problem with colonizing substrates, and uncolonized substrates are vulnerable to air born contams. I always cover my substrates to help retain all of the moister that it started with ( I'm a stickler like that). Basically, i am backing-up what Civ said. C02 is beneficial to a point, and the point were it stuns growth is actually hard to achieve.
Believe it or not, p.Cubensis is a fighting strain that doesn't take too much for everything that everyone blows out of proportion on this forum. unless you do something EXTREMELY wrong, you will have no problems having successful grows.

Good luck with your grow and make sure to update us later on :cool:


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"From 1898 through to 1910 heroin was marketed as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough medicine for children."

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: bryanbzl]
    #8112691 - 03/06/08 07:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

So bryanbzl you're suggesting that at this point in time (about 5 days into colonization), that I should open up the lid of the tub and cover it with perforated foil? I'm hoping the top layer of my sub won't dry out fast enough to prevent full colonization because I have a very high spawn to sub ratio. Do you think it's worth the risk of breaking the seal?

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: deadatdusk]
    #8112730 - 03/06/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

No, i keep my lid on the tub. I just lay a clean trash bag directly on top of my substrate and then poke holes every 3 inches for some gas exchange. This doesn't allow your substrate moisture to evaporate into the dead space in your monotub and get released when you open it (or allow it to condense on your lid). I use this method for straw tubs more than anything, since straw has a tendency to dry out when you use it as a bulk substrate. Although, using this method for any other bulk spawn works with the same principal in mind. I also use the same method directly on top of my casing material after the substrate is colonized. It helps your casing layer to retain even moisture and colonize evenly, provided that your casing layer is even in the first place.


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"From 1898 through to 1910 heroin was marketed as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough medicine for children."

conclusion:
poor fucking children of the early 1900's.

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: bryanbzl]
    #8112744 - 03/06/08 07:11 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

True, unfortunately I didn't think to place a plastic baggie on top of the substrate. The colonizing substrate itself is exposed to open air, and there is lots and lots of condensation and moisture on the top of the lid. Civ says I should be okay considering my spawn ratio, I'm wondering how concerned you'd be.

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: deadatdusk]
    #8112763 - 03/06/08 07:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yea it is perfectly fine. I was just mentioning it as an optimal choice - for best results. You should be MORE than fine the way you have it. What ever you do, don't even stress. I've found that its pretty hard to screw up this after the initial jars are colonized, and yet to this day, i have never had a contamination.


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"From 1898 through to 1910 heroin was marketed as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough medicine for children."

conclusion:
poor fucking children of the early 1900's.

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: bryanbzl]
    #8112907 - 03/06/08 07:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

So bzl, if you put a garbage bag over the top of your substrate inside your monotub, how do you tell when it's completely colonized?

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: Frost000]
    #8113001 - 03/06/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

you peel it back to look at it every couple of days. I've been impatient and pulled it back 2 times a day with no problems. the bag is only laying on the surface of the substrate. You can also just use a clear garbage bag, this way you can see through it. I use black to help keep out the light as much as possible.


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"From 1898 through to 1910 heroin was marketed as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough medicine for children."

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poor fucking children of the early 1900's.

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: bryanbzl]
    #8114850 - 03/07/08 04:13 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I am currently using a black garbage bag to rest the substrate in and to prevent side pinning, I think if one were to cover it to the point of not being visible with a baggy or foil one would only need a bit of patience before peeking inside the bag to see how far along it is in colonization. Just give it reasonable time to colonize fully.

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Re: To cover substrate or let it be [Re: deadatdusk]
    #8122572 - 03/09/08 07:17 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

So far about 60%-70% colonization, at approximately 1 week in.  :thumbup:

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