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Invisiblemjshroomer
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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81071 - 02/12/00 10:23 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Panaeolus papilionaceus is very close to Panaeolus subbalteatus. It is not, as in Stamets" book, Panaeolus campanulatus var. sphinctrinus.

It has been known that lobster fishermen in Maine hold an annual festival and eat or drink concotions of Panaeolus papilionaceus.

ALso a group of witches in Belgium are know to use this mushroom in their ritual-like ceremonies. These cases are cdocumented in reputable journals.

Mj



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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81073 - 02/13/00 03:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Thats really strange.
anyway i wanted to know because i have a field of them growing down the street from my house. I suppose that is what they are unless they don't exist in CA.


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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81074 - 02/13/00 12:18 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

+Confused+ Do Panaeolus papilionaceus & Panaeolus campanulatus var. sphinctrinus stain blue???


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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81075 - 02/13/00 02:00 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I dont think they stain blue, i havn't noticed any staining reactions on the few i picked. there's a really good picture of some at www.mykoweb.com/BAF/species/Panaeolus_papilionaceus.html

does anyone know about their hallucinagenic properties, if any?



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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81076 - 02/13/00 02:55 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

There is no hullucinagenic properties.I find hundreds of these in my Liberty cap fields, and are known to be a good indicator that lib caps are in that field, atleast in my area.

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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81077 - 02/13/00 03:22 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Psylo - what are my chances of finding liberty caps in northern california? specifically at this time of year.



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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81078 - 02/13/00 04:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Hi Lenore,

That mushroom in the picture is not Panaeolus papilionaceus, it is Panaeolus sphinctrinus var., campanulatus. In a day I will post some images of this species for you. and no Liberycaps only gorow from late July-August throught Nove-Dec and sometimes into January dfepending on a freeze.

I just receive somepictures of Psilocybe cyanescens picked on Feb 6, 2000 in San Francisco. I will shortly be poosting them on my site.

Have a shroomy day

Mj Hi Psylosymon



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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81079 - 02/13/00 10:46 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Cyans from feb. 6th? WOW!

Hi Mj :biggrin:

Lenore, you do actually have a chance of finding some Libs in North Cal,at this time....Idoubt it, but in the fall get out there and hunt!!

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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81080 - 02/14/00 04:58 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Here ya go

:uploads/panaeolous:



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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81081 - 02/14/00 09:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81082 - 02/15/00 02:47 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Thats the stuff.
pretty shrooms.


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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81083 - 02/15/00 09:32 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Again I stronlgy would like to let everyone at the shroomery know that neither one of those two pictures posted above by Psulosymon and GGreatOne123 are Panaeolus papilionaceus, but are really Panaeolus
sphinctrinus var. campanulatus, also known under the synonym of Panaeolus campanulatus var. sphinctrinus. These last two shrooms are the same species.

I have posted this many times and people rely on mis-information by experts who are not mycologists.

Below is a photo of a drawing from Richard Evans Shultes (The greatest botanist explorer of this century) and Albert Hofmann (The father of LSD)book "Plants of the Gods.". Notice the fringed teeth around the bottom of the cap.. This indicates that this species posted above is Panaeolus sphinctrinus, not panaeolus papilionaceus. This shroom changes color in drying, just like in the genus Psilocybe, this Panaeolus mushroom cap changes from a yellow-brown tone to a grey to grey-offwhite color in dryin and the stems appear a dark red-brown color with filaments on the stem.

It was also known as the butterfly mushroom _(papilion).

Here we have a drwing from a chinese journal of panaeolus campanulatus var. sphinctrinus.

And here are two drawings of Panaeolus papilionaceus. the first one is from a Chinese journal and the second drawing is from a japaneese journal in 1918.


Notice their resemblence to Copelandia Cyanescens.

And here is the second image from theJapanese Journal.


This species is closely related to Copelandia cyanescens and to Panaeolus subbalteatus.

Anyway Stamets is incorrect in his identification of this species.
Mj

[This message has been edited by mjshroomer (edited February 15, 2000).]



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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81084 - 02/15/00 12:37 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

right on Mj,
Mushrooms Demystified correctly identifies the species as Panaeolus campanulatus. but does the distinction of var. campanulatus matter or is this just mycologist in a war over taxonomy?


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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81085 - 02/15/00 02:34 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

High!
The correct name of the species is panaeolus sphinctrinus var. campanulatus and as I stated earlier, Panaeolus papilionaceus is closer to Copelandia cyanescens and/or Panaeolus subbalteatus or a related variety othe latter species.

Mj

I could have taken pics from about thirty field guides and they all agree on Pn. sphinctrinus.



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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81086 - 02/15/00 07:50 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry Mj, I remember you already told me that ,but i fotgot when i posted that.Um, do you have any pics of Pan Papilionaceus,and if witches ate them for ceramonies,are they active like Pan Subbalteatus?

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Re: Panaeolus papilionaceus !?!
    #81087 - 02/17/00 09:14 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Hi again Psylosymon,

Again I direct you to the book "Narcotic Plants" by Dr. William Emboden of the University of California at Northridge.

He is the one who mentioned the Witches in Europe who use this species ceremoniously.

Mj

This is the original refernce to this practice.



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