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You already started a thread on this.
No, I didn't.
Yes, you did.
Did not.
Oh, be quiet.
No, YOU shut up!
Now, you are making us look bad.
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Alright, everybody calm down.
What were we talking about again?
I don't know.
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I think you have a poor understanding of schizophrenia.
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He is probably right.
No, he isn't.
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What a FUCKING JOKE
Schizophrenia as stargate
I wish you the best when your shit collapses
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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An Interview With Dr. John Weir Perry - Michael O'Callaghan
MICHAEL O'CALLAGHAN: How does one define so-called schizophrenia?
JOHN WEIR PERRY: Jung defined it most succinctly. He said...
"Schizophrenia is a condition in which the dream takes the place of reality." This means that the unconscious overwhelms the ego-consciousness, overwhelms the field of awareness with contents from the deepest unconscious, which take mythic, symbolic form. And the emotions, unless they're hidden, are quite mythic too. To a careful observer, they're quite appropriate to the situation at hand.
The way "schizophrenia" unfolds is that, in a situation of personal crisis, all the psyche's energy is sucked back out of the personal, conscious area, into what we call the archetypal area. Mythic contents thus emerge from the deepest level of the psyche, in order to re-organise the Self. In so doing, the person feels himself withdrawing from the ordinary surroundings, and becomes quite isolated in this dream state.
O'C: Did Jung really see this as a healing process?
PERRY: He did indeed! He believed that "schizophrenia" is a self-healing process - one in which, specifically, the pathological complexes dissolve themselves. The whole schizophrenic turmoil is really a self-organising, healing experience. It's like a molten state. Everything seems to be made of free energy, an inner free play of imagery through which the alienated psyche spontaneously re-organises itself - in such a way that the conscious ego is brought back into communication with the unconscious again.
http://spiritualemergency.blogspot.com/2006/01/mental-breakdown-as-healing.html
In the interest of personal progress one might bring on this subjective catastrophe willingly when possible outcomes are weighed. In for a challenge??
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More recent investigations, such as Laing (1965,1967) and Bateson (1961), have been criticized for excessively metaphorical portrayals of the schizophrenic experience. These criticisms are usually directed against proselytizing for schizophrenia, that is, against viewing it as a "desirable" experience similar to the psychedelic experience.
In a work entitled "Towards a Theory of Schizophrenia", an earlier work than the one cited in the above passage, Bateson, et. al. introduce the notion of a 'double bind situation' hypothesizing "that a person caught in the double bind may develop schizophrenic symptoms." The schizophrenic is compared with the Zen pupil:
We feel that the schizophrenic finds himself continually in the same situation as the pupil, but he achieves something like disorientation rather than enlightenment. 56
http://www.mentalstates.net/part3.html
Double bind is a communicative situation where a person receives different or contradictory messages. The term, coined by the anthropologist Gregory Bateson and his colleagues (including Don D. Jackson, Jay Haley and John H. Weakland), attempts to account for the onset of schizophrenia without simply assuming an organic brain dysfunction.[1][2] Today it is more importantly understood as an example of Bateson's approach to the complexities of communication.
The phenomenon itself was functionally observed in its negative sense, and utilised in a therapeutic context, by Milton H. Erickson. The double bind is based on paradox turned to contradiction.
Usage in Zen Buddhism
According to philosopher and theologian Alan Watts, the double bind has long been used in Zen Buddhism as a therapeutic tool. The Zen Master purposefully imposes the double bind upon his students (through various "skillful means," called upaya) in hopes that they achieve enlightenment (satori). One of the most prominent techniques used by Zen Masters (especially those of the Rinzai school) is called the koan, in which the master gives his or her students a question and instructs them to pour all their mental energies into finding the answer to it. As an example of a koan, a student can be asked to present to the master their genuine self, "Show me who you really are." According to Watts, the student will eventually realize that there's nothing they can do, and also nothing they can not do, to present their true self, and thus they truly learn the Buddhist concept of anatman (non-self) via reductio ad absurdum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind
Two planes fly into buildings.
The official story goes like this.
Another story proposed as its alternative.
Collectively bound in the bind just in time, imo.
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#8108497 - 03/05/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really hate the idea of chemically inducing Orgone's opposites to drown his subjective existence in his own mental refuse.
Shadow??
Might the objective world with these lunatics at the wheel afford us this pleasure without the aide of a powerful psychedelic or entheogen??
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To produce a schizophrenic break you need to collapse the ego, preferably as rapidly as possible. There are different ways of defining the ego but I define it thusly: The ego is a structure of the personality that is made up of what we believe to be true about ourselves, others, the world around us, and our place in it. We form these beliefs as based on our relationships, our experiences, the roles we play and the activities we engage in. All of these combined, create our ego -- which is, for most of us, our sense of who we are. I prefer to think of the ego in this regard as the little self.
When the ego collapses, fragments, or disintegrates, shadow and archetypal contents flood in from the personal and collective unconscious. Those are Jungian terms and I use them because it's the best model I've found thus far for explaining this experience to others. During psychosis, what is experienced and what is seen by the people around you, are fragments of the collapsed ego (one's shattered sense of self), shadow material (which produces fear, terror, paranoia, shame, etc.), and archetypal material, such as the sense that one is Jesus Christ, or Buddha, or God... or has just seen one of those figures get into a cab on 49th street.
Yet, each of those religious icons are also symbols of center which is where the larger Self resides. If you make it all the way through the unconscious to the center -- for a little while at least -- you don't just play God, you are God, because there is nothing left at that point to separate the I-from-The-Thou. Within an Eastern framework, this might be called Self-realization or God-realization. In the West, it's called delusions of grandeur.
There are a number of spiritual traditions that work to slowly polish these layers of selfhood away so as to come into contact with the pure source of the Absolute; meditation in the Buddhist tradition or contemplation in the Christian mysteries are two such examples. There are also various drugs that temporarily displace the ego allowing the numinous to shine in -- the use of peyote among Native Americans; LSD among university professors; ayahuasca among shamans of the Amazon. In addition, there are ritual activities one can engage in: kundalini yoga, drumming, chanting, sacred forms of dance, tantric love-making or creating a work of art. Note that none of these activities produce neurological dysfunction, they simply remove the ego -- one's sense of the little self -- from the larger equation.
Falling in love can displace the ego. Losing someone you love can displace the ego. Shock and trauma can displace the ego. Retiring, or losing a job or role you had strongly invested yourself in can displace the ego. All of us have likely had these kind of experiences and we're familiar with the feeling that life feels a bit shaky for a while afterwards. We don't quite know how to be who we believed we were if we're no longer "Joe's wife" or "Director of Internal Affairs" or "Mary's best friend". If we thought of those people, roles, belongings as positive (i.e., we were attached), we experience their departure as losses. We may need to replace them in some form; a new spouse, new friend, or new job, before stability returns and we are back to being "ourselves" once more.
In a matter of months I lost my self-identity as a daughter, my self-identity as a mother, my self-identity as a wife, my self-identity as a worker, and I also lost my community and my two best friends -- external forms of support that otherwise could have helped provide some structure in the midst of those losses. In addition, trauma was interwoven through those events: trauma from my past, trauma in my present, and a trauma that came to be in which many people died and I felt responsible in some twisted way for their deaths. I wasn't, but something doesn't have to be true to believe that it's true.
You cannot try this at home because you require the co-operation of the entire Universe which strips you of most everything that you have loved or believed in, in one relentless blow after another with hardly any time in between to catch your breath, until you really and truly, absolutely cannot stand anymore. This is how you produce rapid ego collapse, which in turn, produces an acute schizophrenic break -- no faulty neurological wiring required.
Schizophrenia: The Shaman Sickness
The path is always lonely and demanding for those called to shamanism, and doubly so for those who must contend with Western culture's refusal to accept the overwhelming reality of the disturbing realms of vision and torment in which these potential shamans dwell. Along with having to endure the loss of ego stability, hence the frightening blurring of outer and inner realites, sufferers of schizophrenia are often forced to contend with psychiatric notions, ruled by the Apollonian myth of reason, monotheism and normality, which demand that such "deviant" Dionysian states be subdued with medication, or punished with incarceration in mental institutions.
The schizophrenic's reason and senses, like those of the shaman during initiation, are assaulted by concrete revelations of the heights and depths of the vast Otherworlds of the collective unconscious. Simultaneously, the schizophrenic is forced to slot into the sometimes petty humdrum and routine of daily existence. The invasion of the ego by archetypal forces transforms the individual profoundly and irreversibly; no-one who has endured such a crisis can confine the expanded horizons of their consciousness to the tame boundaries of cultural norms. Yet instead of encouraging and bolstering the development of such transcendental levels of awareness, mainstream psychiatry seeks - out of fear of the unknown, the unconscious, the numinous, the irrational and the abnormal - to stifle it under the euphemistic and patronising guise of 'treatment'.
The schizophrenic, being intensely introverted is automatically poorly adapted in a society which narrowly defines personal identity in terms of appearance, behaviour and social status. S/he lives in a discontinuous reality which can become a terrifying bombardment of overlapping realities, voices and chaotic perceptions. Everything takes on mythical overtones. The players in the archetypal dramas are often gods who are potentially both benevolent and destructive. Mainstream psychiatry deals with this overload by numbing the mind and trying to force the individual to readjust to cultural norms. At the same time, the "patient" is robbed of a unique mode of learning that many schizophrenics sense to be immensely valuable and worth pursuing. And unfortunately the law is in the psychiatrists' hands to take away what others treasure as an experience of the awesome power of the sacred.
http://spiritualemergency.blogspot.com/2006/01/shamanism-schizophrenia.html
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Interesting thread.
Nothing much to say unfortunately other then that schizophrenia is in everyone and if you take that route well then good luck because in this world, if you're different, you're a crook or a witch or something to that effect... not just in western cultures too, but in eastern ones.
So all in all I think what I trying to say is props to two people in this thread and I hate you all equally.
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I find allot of what you said interesting but somethings i would disagree with. Psychiatrists don't numb your mind. Anti psychotic medication only reduces the excess firing of the neurons in your brain which causes these hallucinations, while on the medication you do not feel numb or stupid, you may feel a bit drowsy and there are some other bad side effects, so its not fun, but they don't numb your brain to make you into a robot again. Do you know what happened to schizophrenics before these medications became available? They were locked in horrible asylums, which were famous for all types of physical abuse. Where as now, with the help of medication schizophrenics can live much more fore filling lives.
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In a matter of months I lost my self-identity as a daughter, my self-identity as a mother, my self-identity as a wife, my self-identity as a worker, and I also lost my community and my two best friends -- external forms of support that otherwise could have helped provide some structure in the midst of those losses. In addition, trauma was interwoven through those events: trauma from my past, trauma in my present, and a trauma that came to be in which many people died and I felt responsible in some twisted way for their deaths. I wasn't, but something doesn't have to be true to believe that it's true.
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I read all that you posted and the biggest thing that hit me was: you're a chick? The pic of the guy threw me. There was no footnote for this part so I thought it must be personal observation.
I lost the two people who raised me within a year of each other when I was only 22/23. It definitely shakes up the foundation of a person's life/ personal identity.
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The mind races. Delusions take over. You "hear voices", hallucinate.
How do i know?
I've falling into a state of schizophrenia.
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I took those quotes form the web pages listed.
I am definitely a dude.
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'if you're different, you're a crook or a witch or something to that effect...'
Tell me about it. I spent 38 days of my life in a mental ward because the state took my rights away as they thought this was the best 'treatment' for my condition. Those helping haven't got a clue. Its like they want to punish you because they view drugs as bad and your drug induced spiritual progress is not acceptable. Haven't they read any of the research?? The history?? Perhaps I could have done a better job of keeping my head.
'Anti psychotic medication only reduces the excess firing of the neurons in your brain which causes these hallucinations, while on the medication you do not feel numb or stupid, you may feel a bit drowsy and there are some other bad side effects, so its not fun, but they don't numb your brain to make you into a robot again.'
I've been on Haldol, Depakote, Zyprexa, Risperdol, Geodon, Cogentin, Invega... All in the last three years.
All court ordered. I refuse to take anything because it numbs the experience that I am after for sure. Docs don't like this. Its impossible to work through the experience while on these medicines because the inner content is suppressed.
However, if the voices are a problem and you want them to just go away, this is an option.
Personally I would like to find out what they have to say and why.
After all its all me.
Off and on all this crap compounds the problem, imo.
I really feel that an advanced being could walk you right out of the woods with words.
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Schizophrenia.
The person on this card brings a new twist to the old idea of 'getting stuck between a rock and a hard place'! But we are in precisely this sort of situation when we get stuck in the indecisive and dualistic aspect of the mind. Should I let my arms go and fall head-first, or let my legs go and fall feet-first? Should I go here or there? Should I say yes or no? And whatever decision we make, we will always wonder if we should have decided the other way . . . The only way out of this dilemma is, unfortunately, to let go of both at once. You can't work your way out of this one by solving it, making lists of pros and cons, or in any way working it out with your mind. Better to follow your heart, if you can find it. If you can't find it, just jump-- your heart will start beating so fast there will be no mistake about where it is!
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'The only way out of this dilemma is, unfortunately, to let go of both at once.'
I'd have to advocate the exact opposite.
Why not track it all down and crack the whip.
Both always all the time.
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No need to track it down. Just crack the whip. 
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Personally I needed to map the duality back onto known characters or concepts in mythology. Archetypes and shite.
Only then, mostly when the fear subsided, could the whip be cracked effectively.
March ya'll!! Double time.
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Personally I needed to map the duality back onto known characters or concepts in mythology. Archetypes and shite.
That's good thinking. What bothers me about the schizophrenic part of us is that it is almost instantly self-perpetuating. What is it anyway? It's a closed loop that is more like a black hole.
AlteredAgain's description (or the card's description) is spot on
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'What bothers me about the schizophrenic part of us is that it is almost instantly self-perpetuating. What is it anyway? It's a closed loop that is more like a black hole.'
Can you expand on this at all??
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"It never used to be like this..."
"It isn't like this"
"This doesn't work"
"I should be able to ignore this but it is all I know"
"If I do this, that will make this part go away"
"I will just wait here until this all clears itself out"
self perpetuating thoughts centered around something that can't even be found - looking for it is being it, trying to track it only affirms it, IMO
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I've found that instead of using words large inner strides can be made with the use of mental imagery instead.
You just have to be willing to play All of your cards.
Does two pair beat three of a kind??
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'trying to track it only affirms it'
Exactly.
'If we affirm one moment, we thus affirm not only ourselves but all existence. For nothing is self-sufficient, neither in us ourselves nor in things; and if our soul has trembled with happiness and sounded like a harp string just once, all eternity was needed to produce this one event - and in this single moment of affirmation all eternity was called good, redeemed, justified, and affirmed.'
—Nietzsche, Friedrich
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They took away my rights and locked me in a ward without a court case or any form of trial too backfromthedead. How they think those places would help a mentally ill person i don't know. They put me on Risperdol but it didn't work, so they gave me Solian and it did. Although i learn heaps from experiences in a schizophrenic mind frame, i also find i unlearn certain things. Its kind of like the opposite of Zen. Theres is no peace or stillness in your mind, just uncontrolled chaos. Eventually it becomes a constant struggle to function in everyday society. Going to work is hell, and it impacts your sleep allot, because you spend all night awake listening to your mind which refuses to sleep. So, overall I'm thankful that the medication exists, but its wrong that they can force it on you against your will.
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'So, overall I'm thankful that the medication exists, but its wrong that they can force it on you against your will.'
I hear you. I agree.
IM doses in the top of the ass cheek are far from productive, imo.
Do you contribute your coming out of this experience to the meds then?? Were you diagnosed if you don't mind me asking??
Cannabis has helped me enormously but so far I can't convince anyone of the benefit to mental marijuana.
'Eventually it becomes a constant struggle to function in everyday society.'
The only other thing that has helped me through this is my half belief in the reality of God, even if it is just me and my brain.
I noticed what thoughts would produce that tingly tranquility and I followed them. I guess a lesson in love. I felt guided. I also noted what emotions would lock me into a snaky trance. I kept these.
I think it important to note that the drug induced schizophrenic break is not necessarily classic schizophrenia as its defined by modern medicine and brain scans. In my case schizophrenia was ruled out but I was discharged as gravely disabled by the county. WTF?? Feels like punishment for exploring my mind and making a scene.
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'How they think those places would help a mentally ill person i don't know.'
Did you view yourself as mentally ill at the time??
I was under the impression that what I was on about was an accurate reflection.
My psychiatrist told me that I was more 'cranked up' than most about it.
Life I guess.
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Do you guys, "hear voices" etc.?
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Not all the time. It was worse.
I would more appropriately say that I 'talk to myself'.
Or that I respond to internal stimuli because of its presentation as other.
I find that if I verbally acknowledge this phenomena rather than wish it away my intended effect carries more weight.
It is easy to fall into the frame of mind that I am talking to god, spirits, ancestors, masters, guides, fuckin ALIENS, etc...
I balance with doubt.
I recognize that this voice phenomena could be the inspiration behind many beliefs.
I feel that this relationship is novel however seemingly fragmented.
Maybe I just need a friend.
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Thanks.
Send one to Amber for me.
Loosing her while loosing my mind was trying.
Only person I've ever felt it from physically.
Sad that she had to see a subjective sledgehammer to the knees like misery.
If only the modern paradigm accounted for this experience spiritually.
I knew I was in the story as the hero.
Treatment.
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I got diagnosed as psychotic from excess marijuana use. At the time i didn't think i was mentally ill, and i still don't really think i was in the normal sense. Sure i flipped out a bit and had some strange fantasy's which gotten taken to far, but considering what i was experiencing it doesn't seem so crazy. I heard voices in my head, sometimes they actually taught me things i never knew before. My thoughts became in a way disconnected from myself, which can be an enlightening experience. But i also had some really bad delusional thoughts. Mainly i thought that everyone could read my mind, and that it was other humans speaking into it. When you have to go around in your everyday life thinking everyone knows what your thinking, it can get pretty crazy. I personally don't think the medical community fully understands what is going on with psychosis and schizophrenia. I did experience things which are hard to explain and understand.
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'When you have to go around in your everyday life thinking everyone knows what your thinking, it can get pretty crazy.'
I know exactly what you mean.
Thought broadcasting and thought insertion.
I haven't ruled out the idea of telepathy yet.
I almost want it to be real.
I've had some peculiar experiences that suggest it might be.
Walking around seemingly broadcasting is a good lesson in ridding your game of shame, imo.
'I did experience things which are hard to explain and understand.'
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'When you have to go around in your everyday life thinking everyone knows what your thinking, it can get pretty crazy.'
I KNOW that there are some who know 'my' thoughts. But the way I'm thinking about it isn't accurate, so I try not to think about it.
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My body I will give to pleasures,
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to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Walking around seemingly broadcasting is a good lesson in ridding your game of shame, imo
It definitely does, it makes you morally analyse yourself really deeply as well. Its hell at work though, also really hard in social situations. Its made me really good at holding myself together in stressful situations though.
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: DimensionX] 1
#8113304 - 03/06/08 09:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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'Its made me really good at holding myself together in stressful situations though.'
Right on.
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: Lion] 1
#8113314 - 03/06/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i guess you don't need me to talk about persistent personality streams (i.e. the big thought tracers that encompass entire attitude formations and routines) these streams last much longer than usual, overlapping and co-residing with subsequent attitude formations.
these big tracers add personalities and seem to speak with total autonomy sharing space with other conscious wakes.
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OrgoneConclusion: You already started a thread on this.
No, I didn't.
Yes, you did.
Did not.
Oh, be quiet.
No, YOU shut up!
Now, you are making us look bad.
Thanks for raising the issue Orgone, and for presenting a commonly misunderstood aspect of the "schizophrenic" experience.
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Nice pic, backfromthedead. By the way, did you happen to catch this post: Presumed Causes of Psychosis & Schizophrenia. I think I put it together after I was last here.
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Thanks, your blogs are gold.
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You are most welcome, backfromthedead. I was quite honored to see you sharing it about.
New blog here for those who are so inclined: Voices of Recovery
Meanwhile, you seem to be in good space. Me too.
Namaste.
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You already started a thread on this.
No, I didn't.
Yes, you did.
Did not.
Oh, be quiet.
No, YOU shut up!
Now, you are making us look bad.
is schizophrenia really this simple?
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: deranger] 1
#8116084 - 03/07/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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'is schizophrenia really this simple?'
Johnny Depp would show you it might be.
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so me having full blown conversations with myself might not be such a bad thing? I feel that it hinders my ability to fully concentrate on things sometimes though, you seem to have some experience with this backfromthedead... any advice on how to tune it out when need be?
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: mycould] 1
#8121892 - 03/08/08 11:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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so me having full blown conversations with myself might not be such a bad thing? I feel that it hinders my ability to fully concentrate on things sometimes though, you seem to have some experience with this backfromthedead... any advice on how to tune it out when need be?
Mr. Miyagi said it best...
'Concentrate! Focus power!'
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wax on wax off?
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: mycould] 1
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Interesting stuff about schizophrenia and shamanism. I recently had what I guess must be called a "schizophrenic break", which did dissolve my ego, leaving it very unstable for a long time afterwards. It came about through social isolation (solitary confinement, really...)
From what I experienced I can say I think Casteneda was on to something when he talked about there being bands of the Eagle's emanations - which we can tune into. I felt like I went through, or tuned into, different bands, and felt a sense of control. It was a bit like the mushroom colour spectrum, without drugs. That increased thickness, slight cartoonishness and increased clarity of everything. The really saturated colours... Like "dropping" closer in towards the Self.
Anti-psychotics, far as I can tell, if you don't have the audio and visual hallucinations (ie. the full on "nightmare come to life" psychosis) makes thoughts a lot more 'clear' and enhances concentration. I think substance abuse threw a lot of my head out of balance - the anti-psychotics aid in overcoming this. Just thought I'd add that in...
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: burgatory] 1
#8126274 - 03/10/08 02:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enhancing concentration is the result of wanting to know truth, we tune into glorious wavelengths and god rewards us by giving us what we seek, we want to know good and the good is known
substance abuse might be necessary to find the balance, but it is abuse, you can get off it at any time, trust in the higher self 
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e-hug coming your way!
He can get the same in my direction... it sucks to have your rights stripped away.
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so me having full blown conversations with myself might not be such a bad thing? I feel that it hinders my ability to fully concentrate on things sometimes though, you seem to have some experience with this backfromthedead... any advice on how to tune it out when need be?
Mr. Miyagi said it best...
'Concentrate! Focus power!'
Talking to yourself is like praying... what's wrong with that? I might talk to myself to focus, I might talk to myself to accentuate the moment of ecstasy taken by a pleasurable moment... I might even sing some songs cause they are in my head and what is the problem with that?
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There's nothing wrong with conversing with one self IMO
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What a FUCKING JOKE
Schizophrenia as stargate
I wish you the best when your shit collapses
Elaborate.
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Thanks, your blogs are gold.
And what do your other personalities have to say about this?
Wait. It's Orgone Confusion who has Schizo problems. One of his personalities is a midget porn star named 'Bobo' 
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What a FUCKING JOKE
Schizophrenia as stargate
I wish you the best when your shit collapses
Elaborate.
Dude he hasn't been here for a year and he did elaborate.
Thanks for bumping this though, this will help a friend.
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: andrewss] 1
#11273486 - 10/18/09 08:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's me, the 21st century schizoid man
Man, I don't even remember making those posts. It's like reading the posts of a completely different person. Trippy.
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damn, why is backfromthedead banned?
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: beneath] 1
#11277380 - 10/19/09 01:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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he's back in balance. no worries.
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To produce a schizophrenic break you need to collapse the ego, preferably as rapidly as possible. There are different ways of defining the ego but I define it thusly: The ego is a structure of the personality that is made up of what we believe to be true about ourselves, others, the world around us, and our place in it. We form these beliefs as based on our relationships, our experiences, the roles we play and the activities we engage in. All of these combined, create our ego -- which is, for most of us, our sense of who we are. I prefer to think of the ego in this regard as the little self.
I agree and have come to virtually the same conclusion in my thinking. Personally I think the collapse of the ego occurs with the collapse of a centralized will. In sufism the ego is described as being "the outcome of a vortex of desires." I believe psychedelics can sometimes result in schizophrenia because they have the potential to drastically undermine and displace an individuals value system by making the person realize much of what gave them there sense of self has no real meaning in reality.
The will collapses but mind is still creating thoughts. In a sense we do not create our thoughts but are thoughts are created to coincide perfectly with our will. Right now I want you to completely stop thinking! impossible.. so if we cant choose not to think then are we really creating our thoughts? If an individual will is displaced then that persons thoughts will no longer be in synch with will causing the individual to experience these thoughts as being external. This seems to make sense for OCD aswell. I think that maybe the persons level of spiritual advancement primarily determines what happens, whether this break makes a rapid spiritual advance or longer-term mental chaos and misery.
"The mystic swims in the same waters the mad-man drowns." -don't know the author.
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