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My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL
    #8103562 - 03/04/08 11:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I won't deny or endorse religion, I just want to look over the idea of hell.

Now I have never hurt or brought harm to anyone, but because I 'sinned' =, I am condemned to torture and pain in hell? Fuck that..

Your telling me you can torture me for these 'sins' like not praying enough, not contributing to your church, eating pork, premarital sex, et cetera; when I myself have never done such a heinous thing to anything. I have to deny that God.

If there is a God, there is no way he is in the same mentality as he was 10,000 years ago. If he has watched how human kind has developed, he would have to change his 'standards'.

Hell I could imagine God saying something like "Well, you guys have just branched off so far, don't worry about what team you played for, lets just see how you played"


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: Fredrock]
    #8104602 - 03/05/08 04:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I too refuse to bow to a tyrant god who wont let me have harmless fun. Heck why even worship, if your good and never hurt anyone, or at least try to fix things you've done wrong with honest intent, then why should one get punished. If a god requires submission to him and his stupid rules, then he is a dirty fuckwit tyrant. Rally hells forces, there are more souls there, take heaven in a battle, strength in numbers. fuck you tyrant of heaven and earth, by giving us freedom of choice the tree of knowledge rightfully is ours.

...though i would say that as an atheist who doesn't believe in any of it anyway. :P


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: flangenips]
    #8104627 - 03/05/08 04:48 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

im am with you. believing is blind faith. i know in order to believe, not believe in order to understand. the only positive is see in organized religion is community, but that is ruined by everything that comes with it. religion is like a feeding tube to strike fear into those who do not abide by the traditions, practices, ethics, and morals of that religion. if you eat meat on this specific day your afterlife will be full of torture blah blah blah.

i like the idea of solitary practice. if it makes you happy roll with it, and dont force it upon others. let them find their way to happiness, everyone must cut their own path. im also big on ideas. a "i'd like to think" kind of experssion of your perception of that which cannot be know. i cant just have faith, that this will happen if i do this.

example: are we reincarnated? i dont know, but if yes you better believe id be back fast because life is a trip :wink:


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: nalyudi]
    #8105173 - 03/05/08 10:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps hell is a literal mind state as heaven might as well be.


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8105293 - 03/05/08 11:20 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

but why an accepted label for it by society?


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: Fredrock]
    #8105340 - 03/05/08 11:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

thats why god doesn't exist

none of them do, they are all created by humans

its like santa claus


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: Atheist]
    #8105403 - 03/05/08 11:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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thats why god doesn't exist




now that is jumping to a conclusion. you cannot prove either way. things based on facts are the only things we can know. the rest is beliefs. to me ideas are better than beliefs, ideas are always changing and adjusting.


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: nalyudi]
    #8105408 - 03/05/08 11:59 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ok well if the church is wrong about hell then they are wrong about heaven

could they be wrong about angels and god too? obviously

edit im coming from a catholic POV


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: Atheist]
    #8105454 - 03/05/08 12:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i was raised catholic myself. i do not believe in a hell or a heaven anymore, or that an ineffable power exists . there is no hard facts on what happens postmortem so i just say i dont know, and im comfortable with that.

religions, even atheism (which is a religion) go by a system of beliefs often supported by documents, structure, and tradition. in atheism the belief is that there is no god, but because the possibility is there its only a belief (blind trust)


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: nalyudi]
    #8105461 - 03/05/08 12:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

atheism is not a religion IMO

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1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.




by being an atheist, im AVOIDING religions and any set of rules/beliefs

im a human being


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: Atheist]
    #8105472 - 03/05/08 12:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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ok well if the church is wrong about hell then they are wrong about heaven




Sorry but it doesn't logically follow. Your if/then statement has no evidence.


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: Atheist]
    #8105510 - 03/05/08 12:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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atheism is not a religion IMO

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5. the practice of religious beliefs





by saying you saying there is no heaven or hell or god....wouldnt it be a religion by that definition?

why put a label on it is my only question? the second you take a title you become part of that community. "hey were all _______ (insert whatever atheist, catholic, etc) so we are a community of the same beliefs blah blah blah)

btw i have no intentions of "burning" so lets try to keep this very hospitable


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: Atheist]
    #8105520 - 03/05/08 12:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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atheism is not a religion IMO

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1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.




by being an atheist, im AVOIDING religions and any set of rules/beliefs

im a human being




No you aren't. If you were agnostic, it would be a different story, but atheism is a denial of the existence of a g*d, which is clearly an unprovable conclusion. You hold a set of belief concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe - quite specifically, you hold the belief that a g*d does not exist regarding all that.


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8105745 - 03/05/08 01:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm 99.9% sure that if there is a Heaven & Hell that it's just a state of consciousness in maybe another dimension or some shit. I doubt you just worship jebus 24/7 and suck him off. It's probably just a state of ecstatic bliss or something. Again I'm just speculating..


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8105769 - 03/05/08 01:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Atheist said:
ok well if the church is wrong about hell then they are wrong about heaven




Sorry but it doesn't logically follow. Your if/then statement has no evidence.




how? both things were created by the church

praise jesus you go to heaven, hell if you dont

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm

atheism is NOT a religion


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8105788 - 03/05/08 01:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Atheist said:
atheism is not a religion IMO

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1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.




by being an atheist, im AVOIDING religions and any set of rules/beliefs

im a human being




No you aren't. If you were agnostic, it would be a different story, but atheism is a denial of the existence of a g*d, which is clearly an unprovable conclusion. You hold a set of belief concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe - quite specifically, you hold the belief that a g*d does not exist regarding all that.




what the fuck are you talking about?

if i dont believe in the flying spaghetti monster am i saying that i know the universe's purpose?

nooooo

if god is different to everybody, then everybody is dead wrong

"the earth is flat because god made it!" - stupid people


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: Atheist]
    #8105843 - 03/05/08 01:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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a·the·ist      (ā'thē-ĭst)  Pronunciation Key
n.  One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.




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ag·nos·tic      /ægˈnɒstɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ag-nos-tik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
–adjective
3. of or pertaining to agnostics or agnosticism.
4. asserting the uncertainty of all claims to knowledge.




Being an atheist is being sure that god doesn't exist. How that any different from being sure that there's god? :strokebeard:

Being an agnostic means not knowing whether there's god or not. You don't know the entire Universe and what it consist of, so being sure about the lack of existence of something is simply dumb. :shrug:

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"the earth is flat because god made it!" - stupid people




"God doesn't exist because Christians believe in him" - guess who? :hehehe:


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8105844 - 03/05/08 01:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Atheist said:
ok well if the church is wrong about hell then they are wrong about heaven




Sorry but it doesn't logically follow. Your if/then statement has no evidence.




agreed, one does not prove the other. Besides there are a some doctrines that believe in oblivion/purgatory etc rather than eternal torture in hell. And they both do not have to exist, one may exist alone.

I am an atheist, but i do know that i cannot wholly prove my beliefs with evidence or argument.


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: flangenips]
    #8105868 - 03/05/08 02:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i am an atheist because i used to believe but now i dont

and i never will

god = santa claus IMO

im agnostic too (i have no idea what is out there besides other galaxies)


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Re: My problem with religion, specifically those that preach HELL [Re: Atheist]
    #8105879 - 03/05/08 02:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Might the Santa Claus story be traceable to some objective element(s) of reality??


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