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The Mind Twists and Turns
    #8093595 - 03/02/08 02:34 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

You struggle throughout life trying to find answers to the riddle. You come up with answers for self satisfaction. Once satisfied you go on while no longer questioning the riddle.

Then there are those who realize that this riddle can never fully be understood under our certain circumstances. There are limits to the mind and somethings that you think exist are only a delusion in the mind.

We search and search for answers to this very one riddle.

What is this riddle?

Can it be answered?

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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: Droz]
    #8093688 - 03/02/08 03:10 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

I think the riddle and the search is much more pronounced due to our concept of linearity and progress.  Aldous Huxley discussed this in The Perennial Philosophy.  He said throughout history there have been time-philosophers, and eternity-philosophers. 

Time-philosophy holds that what is to be attained awaits us in the future.  Eternity-philosophy doesn't seek to attain, but seeks to realize that all is already present.  Time-philosophy can be very destructive and dangerous, leading to rationalizations of how much we can sacrifice in an effort to obtain the ultimate goal.  The only problem is that ultimate goal is a horizon that one never reaches.  The horizon retreats at the same speed as you approach it.

So really, I challenge your questions by saying "what riddle?" and thereby removing the need for an answer.

I think that is the ultimate answer to the riddle.  The question is "what riddle?" and the answer is losing the need for the question.

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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: Droz]
    #8093697 - 03/02/08 03:14 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

We make the riddles and we come up with answers for them.
Both of them are the products of our minds. :shrug:
I think it's good to keep that in mind because sometimes we get so confused that we get the feeling that something/someone else is testing us.


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8093808 - 03/02/08 03:56 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Existence is testing us all the time.
That's the riddle :smile:


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8093814 - 03/02/08 03:59 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

More of a fable.


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8093850 - 03/02/08 04:13 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

BlueCoyote said:
Existence is testing us all the time.
That's the riddle :smile:




I don't think reality is testing us, this is just the Christian god model.
However, we do test ourselves.


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8094015 - 03/02/08 05:14 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Think again.
Reality is part of existence. If we don't conform to reality, chances are great to not sustain existence :smile:

The riddle is: How did you bring up G*D to this ? :wink:


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'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Edited by BlueCoyote (03/02/08 05:21 PM)


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8094025 - 03/02/08 05:17 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

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backfromthedead said:
More of a fable.



It's part of the riddle, why the riddle is no question :grin:


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8094036 - 03/02/08 05:22 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Yes reality is part of existence.
But what does it have to do with anything?
How does this prove that reality is testing us?

Quote:

If we not conform to reality, chances are great to not sustain existence :smile:




I agree but it doesn't mean that it's testing us. :lol:
It only means that we're unable to observe reality.


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8094239 - 03/02/08 06:28 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Yes reality is part of existence.
But what does it have to do with anything?
How does this prove that reality is testing us?



I said, existence is testing us. You misquoted it for reality, which is of course true too, but not as far-reaching as I intended.


Quote:

Quote:

If we not conform to reality, chances are great to not sustain existence :smile:




I agree but it doesn't mean that it's testing us. :lol:
It only means that we're unable to observe reality.



Hehe, however you will interpret it... that's also part of the riddle, which was the original question of this thread...
What is the riddle ?


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8094270 - 03/02/08 06:39 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

The point of reality isn't to be tested. It's to experience! How often do we try to look for meaning when in fact we're missing the meaning altogether!

Live! Learn! Enjoy!


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8094271 - 03/02/08 06:40 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

I said, existence is testing us. You misquoted it for reality, which is of course true too, but not as far-reaching as I intended.




Exactly. Existence mean SO many things, that I am unable to realize what you are talking about. What exactly from existence is testing us and how?


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8094275 - 03/02/08 06:42 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

How are existence and reality different at all? :sun:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
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and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: Lion]
    #8094280 - 03/02/08 06:43 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

They're not different in my opinion :shrug:


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: Lion]
    #8094317 - 03/02/08 06:55 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

Lion said:
How are existence and reality different at all? :sun:



There is existence outside of our reality. There are many realities but only one existence.

...just following the topic.


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8094328 - 03/02/08 06:58 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

I said, existence is testing us. You misquoted it for reality, which is of course true too, but not as far-reaching as I intended.




Exactly. Existence mean SO many things, that I am unable to realize what you are talking about. What exactly from existence is testing us and how?



:lol: That may be the question to the riddle.


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8094344 - 03/02/08 07:02 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Hmmmm :strokebeard:
Again, reality, as far as I know, is only one.
It is true that sometimes, due to the diversified structure of reality, we might perceive this as the existence of more realities. But this is because we are unable to make the links between one aspect of reality with another. In this case, we're dealing with a reality split, and sometimes we focus so much on adding things to specific categories, that we experience the illusion that the category we've just created is another reality. Far from being so though. :wink:


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8094359 - 03/02/08 07:06 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

:smile:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: Lion]
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Re: The Mind Twists and Turns [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8094402 - 03/02/08 07:15 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

It's a prerequisite of everything (and even nothing), to exist. That's even true for reality.
Now, for diversification of realities there are limitless factors. Even within one person there are many realities, not to say each reality for every single person, plant, animal, stone.
They whole build stacked realities, which resolve in the one reality of existence, which has many realities, which all separately or together can exist.


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