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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8097453 - 03/03/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Meh, both are working in collusion anyways. :shrug: :hehehe:


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8097456 - 03/03/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No argument whatsoever.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8099294 - 03/03/08 07:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

buckley was at least an intelligent conservative...much like ron paul

not in league with today's criminals

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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #8101625 - 03/04/08 01:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

William F. Buckley Jr. should burn in Hell. I am surprised by the swooning and fawning over this buffoon. He was articulate, but what did he articulate?

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Steven L. Bachman said:
The recent passing of William F. Buckley, Jr. brought the expected torrent of praise-in-memoriam; exalting Buckley as the Intellectual Godfather of Modern Conservatism, and crediting him with providing the ideological ammunition for a generation of "conservative" thinkers, pundits, and politicians. Indeed, if there is one thing that Bill Buckley deserves great credit for, it is for leading the way in laying the intellectual foundations for the transitional road from the Old Right philosphical principles of individualism, to the overt and fawning collectivist statism of the modern-day conservative movement.

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William F. Buckley clearly died having successfully completed his mission. Today, the conservative movement has completely abandoned all ties to it's anti-statist roots. To listen to Buckley's most prominent successors -- Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Kristol, or Bill Cunningham -- you will not hear any substantive criticism of the workings of the welfare-warfare state. You will not hear any calls for the restoration of private property rights. You will not hear any calls for the abolition of the oppressive and tyrannical income tax -- indeed, every call for reductions in tax rates is predicated on the supply-sider argument that lower taxes serve to increase government revenue; hardly a convincing stance for someone who claims to advocate "limited government." And you certainly will not hear any calls for abolishing the massive macro-economic central planning, price-fixing, engine of inflation and regressive wealth redistribution called the Federal Reserve System. Indeed it's as if the Fed has been deemed sacrosanct, and any criticism leveled towards it may be ham-handedly cast aside as paranoid "conspiracy theory."

In short, you will not hear any truly substantive calls for decreasing the size, scope, and power of government from the gatekeepers of today's "conservative" movement. William F. Buckley, you may rest in satisfied Peace.




Buckley advocated a "totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores" to ward off foreign threats. I'm glad he's dead, and I wish the GOP he helped create would perish alongside him.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Neanderthal]
    #8102338 - 03/04/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"A totalitarian bureaucracy"
What do you think the military is?

More Paulist bilge.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #8102364 - 03/04/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)






Anyone notice the only time Cheney ever seems to smile is when contemplating violence? :lol:

Too bad he is incompetant at both firing rifles and overseeing wars.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Neanderthal]
    #8102385 - 03/04/08 05:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So your opinion of a man's life rests upon one article written about him?

Be honest. How much do you really know about WFB?

Do you know he had significant disagreements with the modern conservative movement?


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: zorbman]
    #8102433 - 03/04/08 05:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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So your opinion of a man's life rests upon one article written about him?




No. That's an outlandish question, truly.

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Do you know he had significant disagreements with the modern conservative movement?




Not on any issues that matter. His proto-fascist stirrings go back decades--i.e., the editor of National Review (Frank Meyer) once criticized the unconstitutional acts of Abraham Lincoln, but guess who came to Dishonest Abe's defense? And now Lincoln is one of the most revered icons among neocons who fervently push their imperial foreign policy.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Neanderthal]
    #8102524 - 03/04/08 05:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

most Americans love Lincoln and it isn't because the national review said anything to change American public opinion on the issue either.

there is nothing inherently wrong with conservative ideals, especially when they are well articulated via WFB and other intellectual conservatives.

the problem comes when you insert bought out politicians with no brains ie 'W' who have a vice president who is the former ceo of a massive energy and defense contractor conglomeration and the American public are too stupid to see through the facade so they elect the same two leeches twice. bush continues to plunge our country into trillions of dollars worth of debt to the bewilderment of our citizenry who show no signs of waking up any time soon.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Neanderthal]
    #8102685 - 03/04/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"Marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could."

"One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed -- different plans have to be made. And the kernel here is the acknowledgement of defeat." -Buckley on Bush's Iraq War.

-WFB


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: SlashOZ]
    #8103104 - 03/04/08 07:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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there is nothing inherently wrong with conservative ideals, especially when they are well articulated via WFB and other intellectual conservatives.




My specific complaint against Buckley is that he was principally responsible for assassinating the ideals of the Old Right and was largely supportive of the policies that undergird neoconservatism.

A person that more articulately--and consistently--argued for conservative principles was Frank Chodorov.

Being well-spoken and aligned to "conservatism" isn't automatically redeeming (cf. Bill Kristol).


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8141719 - 03/13/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Why must you assume that everyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot?




Isn't it obvious?

Actually I figure that they are either stupid or have some self-interest in mind. Nobody who puts their hand out surprises me and if they can scam a bunch of politicians into buying their vote with handouts then they aren't so stupid. Except in the long term after they realize they have killed the golden goose.

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"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."








by the way, I'm glad you made this post since I oft want to use this quote
but can never find it when most necessary.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: afoaf]
    #8141946 - 03/13/08 03:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have it bookmarked. Now you can too.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1046973/posts


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8143480 - 03/13/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

there's got to be something else I can bookmark...

Professor Olson adds, "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was (mostly) the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this greatcountry. Gore's territory encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare...


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: afoaf]
    #8143832 - 03/13/08 09:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

One of many choice quotes from that source.

I myself am partial to...

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Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won: by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.




As if there is some deeply hidden meaning to be found in that fact.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8147944 - 03/14/08 11:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

niggers kill lots of whites on their way to vote for gore.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: afoaf]
    #8148043 - 03/14/08 11:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Did we need a study to find that out?


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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