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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #8090599 - 03/01/08 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The idea that he would suggest as much is pretty amusing because all it represents is a movement's inability to live up to the high standard that this man set, not some glorious army. :lol:


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8090871 - 03/01/08 05:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly.

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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #8091431 - 03/01/08 08:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

William Buckley had the luxury of making arguments for educated intelligent people exclusively. I do not have that luxury. I often have to make my arguments to baby seals.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8091464 - 03/01/08 08:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why must you assume that everyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot?


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8093552 - 03/02/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

because unlike buckley zappa has no sense of political decency, a key conservative value.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8094309 - 03/02/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Why must you assume that everyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot?




Isn't it obvious?

Actually I figure that they are either stupid or have some self-interest in mind. Nobody who puts their hand out surprises me and if they can scam a bunch of politicians into buying their vote with handouts then they aren't so stupid. Except in the long term after they realize they have killed the golden goose.

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"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."





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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8094313 - 03/02/08 04:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: SlashOZ]
    #8094322 - 03/02/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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because unlike buckley zappa has no sense of political decency, a key conservative value.




I might be a good bit more decent if it wasn't a home invasion I was fighting off. And make no mistake it is a home invasion. Buckley had so much wealth he did it for purely humanitarian reasons. I'm fighting for my life. Well, property anyway.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8094414 - 03/02/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I might be a good bit more decent if it wasn't a home invasion I was fighting off. And make no mistake it is a home invasion. Buckley had so much wealth he did it for purely humanitarian reasons. I'm fighting for my life. Well, property anyway.



And who exactly are these evil forces conspiring to invade your home and steal your livelihood? Sounds a bit paranoid to me. Kinda reminds me of Ash from Evil Dead battling back the forces of the undead from his shack in the woods.



Your mentality is a perfect example of where fear-based, divisive politics have gotten us. I can tell you one thing for sure though- being nasty to a bunch of pinkos on an internet message board wont save your home.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8094503 - 03/02/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."




I think you see this happening more in history with direct democracies such as Ancient Greece rather than representative democracies such as the US. Greece was democracy to the point of chaos! Demagogues such as Pericles convinced an easily swayed democracy to fight wars of aggression (i.e. The Peloponnesian Wars) and to throw their lot behind whichever politician tossed the most drachmas at them.

In the US' case I see democracy being threatened more by cutthroat multinational corporations than the government's loose fiscal policy and handouts.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8094772 - 03/02/08 06:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The home invaders are the socialists who want to tax me at 80% again. You know who you are. Fucking barbarians.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8094898 - 03/02/08 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The home invaders are the socialists who want to tax me at 80% again. You know who you are. Fucking barbarians.



Republicans are hardly a more suitable alternative. You still get taxed by those fuckers and it comes in the form of inflation/"the invisible tax" caused by their fiscal irresponsibility (or deficit spending as they like to call it) and constant need to print more money. Notice prices going up in the past few years how wages haven't risen proportionally?

I've got news for you, man. It's not just the socialists that are trying to fuck you...


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8094932 - 03/02/08 07:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, but they're the only ones doing it by gummint. I'll be the judge of who I think is the greater threat to me, thank you. I don't need anyone to tell me what is in my interest, I can do that quite well my self. (Another thing socialists want to take away from me, my own risk assessment and interest determination).


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8094971 - 03/02/08 07:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I was just pointing out an obvious fact. I'm not a socialist and I'm not trying to tell you what to think, I'm just trying to introduce a sense of perspective to this conversation.

I thought we come here to put our ideas forward, not to hide behind paranoid fantasies and attack all of those that don't live inside our carefully constructed house of cards. Man, do you find open, honest debate threatening or something?

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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8095012 - 03/02/08 07:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't see any debate there. Only I can say what is in my interest and it is definitely not in my interest to go back to pre-Reagan taxation, which is what all the vilification of the wealthy and successful by the two Democrat commies points toward. I'll take my chances with corporations, thank you.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8095018 - 03/02/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Best of luck.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8096606 - 03/03/08 08:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Best of luck.




:rofl2:

The multinational corporations surely do have the interest of the American people at heart, ya know? :smirk:


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8097303 - 03/03/08 12:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, the government can still function with an enslaved and impoverished population.

Those huge and evil corporations cannot.

I'm not stumping for either one, understand. But to say one is inherently less bad than the other one is silly.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8097353 - 03/03/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The government is a tool of the people, so I recognize a distinction there. As long as the people are still represented in government, then I don't see a problem.


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Re: a liberal's response to the death of william f. buckley jr. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8097372 - 03/03/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I fear the government more than I fear Procter & Gamble.

The latter would at least need a fiscally sound reason for creating a death ray or throwing millions of people in concentration camps.

The former would have no problems taking a loss to do it, if it suited their purposes.

I'm not a tin-foil hat loonie, I don't think these things are actually happening. I just know which side of this debate my comfort level lies on.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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