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Obama's 'Patriot' Act
    #8076572 - 02/27/08 10:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No, we're not talking about Barack Obama's opposition to the post-9/11 antiterror law. We're referring to the Senator's support for something called the Patriot Employer Act, which deserves more attention as an indicator of his economic agenda.

Along with Democratic co-sponsors Sherrod Brown and Dick Durbin, Mr. Obama introduced the bill in the Senate in August 2007. Recently in Janesville, Wis., he repeated his intention to make it a priority as President: "We will end the tax breaks for companies who ship our jobs overseas, and we will give those breaks to companies who create good jobs with decent wages right here in America."


Mr. Obama's proposal would designate certain companies as "patriot employers" and favor them over other, presumably not so patriotic, businesses.

The legislation takes four pages to define "patriotic" companies as those that: "pay at least 60 percent of each employee's health care premiums"; have a position of "neutrality in employee [union] organizing drives"; "maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in the United States relative to the number of full-time workers outside of the United States"; pay a salary to each employee "not less than an amount equal to the federal poverty level"; and provide a pension plan.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120407121574294919.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8076654 - 02/27/08 10:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, that will totally get passed.


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: afoaf]
    #8076879 - 02/27/08 11:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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have a union neutral stance...




Wal-Mart should love that.


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8076934 - 02/27/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Obama sounds like Mussolini.:grin:

"Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” Benito Mussolini


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8076945 - 02/27/08 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not a fascist, you're a fascist.


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8076972 - 02/27/08 12:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:smile:


its all in HOW you Package it....


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8077286 - 02/27/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So basically it's a bill to reduce outsourcing of American jobs and develop more jobs nationally. Wonderful, yet another reason Obama should be president. You do such a great job of supporting him lonestar


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8077290 - 02/27/08 01:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You do such a great job of supporting him lonestar




This is what I keep trying to tell him but he refuses to listen to me. :shrug:


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8077301 - 02/27/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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have a union neutral stance...




Wal-Mart should love that.




I think Wal-mart is anti-union not nuetral. They show anti-union videos as part of first week training.

This doesn't sound like a bad thing, it seems it would encourage companies to help with insurance premiums and keeping jobs in the country so that they can receive tax breaks for helping the domestic economy.

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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8077303 - 02/27/08 01:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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gluke bastid said:
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You do such a great job of supporting him lonestar




This is what I keep trying to tell him but he refuses to listen to me. :shrug:





:rotfl:


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8077306 - 02/27/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You laugh, but then you post things that Barack is trying to do that will benefit our country. Actions speak louder then smileys


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8077337 - 02/27/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:smile:


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8077354 - 02/27/08 02:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:bobafett:


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8077368 - 02/27/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
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gluke bastid said:
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You do such a great job of supporting him lonestar




This is what I keep trying to tell him but he refuses to listen to me. :shrug:





:rotfl:




You are an absolute mystery to me.


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8077541 - 02/27/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ha! My friends and family say the same thing.:eek:


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8077710 - 02/27/08 03:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Whenever you see Lonestar make a post that makes the Democratic party look good, remember this...

He is on the record as saying that he will vote for Obama come the General election because he believes a Democratic administration will completely fuck the country. And this fuckitude will lead to people streaming back to the Republican party.

There is a method to his madness.

I mean, he's fucking crazy. But like a fox.


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8077739 - 02/27/08 03:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No I'm only voting for Obama in the Primary not the General election.:cool:

Have you seen this interesting site?

2008 Presidential Election Polls

Lots of "Tossup" states


Dem 226   
Rep 86   
Ind 0   
Tos 179
Non: 47   


http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8077755 - 02/27/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I still think Obama is a shoe-in against Mccain.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8078374 - 02/27/08 06:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

id just like to know how that crazy fuck mccain is winning the republic nomination, when i listen to him talk...im just waiting for his mask to fall off and reveal the joker from batman


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #8078506 - 02/27/08 06:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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id just like to know how that crazy fuck mccain is winning the republic nomination, when i listen to him talk...im just waiting for his mask to fall off and reveal the joker from batman





8 long years of Bush and Iraq, the economy is in the tank, and the Republicans nominate a short bald-headed  squeaky voiced mad man. 


How could he win?


Only if the Democrats nominate a fool:shrug:


I wonder how many short bald-headed men have become president????


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8078533 - 02/27/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder how many short bald-headed men have become president????


Redstorm u read a lot, do you know of any?


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8078631 - 02/27/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno about short, but just off the top of my head for bald you have:

John Quincy Adams
Van Buren
Hoover(?)
Eisenhower

There may have been more, but early in history you couldn't tell because of those ridiculous wigs.

They may have been ridiculous, but they were nowhere near as ridiculous as the law in the original post. We might as well give subsidies to all American suppliers and put tariffs on all imports. That's the only way to make it more outrageous.

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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8078664 - 02/27/08 07:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You laugh, but then you post things that Barack is trying to do that will benefit our country. Actions speak louder then smileys




Any policy that interferes with outsourcing of jobs is NOT beneficial to our country. Exactly the opposite, in fact. Protectionism breeds sloth and complacency like cockroaches and must be fought at every turn.


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8080028 - 02/28/08 01:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So what does outsourcing breed? I fail to see how it is beneficial to the country as a whole to outsource, but I do see how it is beneficial to a few. And the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8080040 - 02/28/08 01:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if their wasn't few then their would be many, if their was many then many would pay many more for teh many things we need and want, farther more, the few make it possible to inflate the inflation higher will keeping prices bareable.


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8080171 - 02/28/08 02:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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So what does outsourcing breed? I fail to see how it is beneficial to the country as a whole to outsource, but I do see how it is beneficial to a few. And the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many




Free Market.

If someone else can provide a service for cheaper than you can provide that same service then what is to be gained by doing it yourself?


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8080181 - 02/28/08 02:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

National cohesion. It undercuts American workers to save money. Same reason we have an immigration problem, a cheaper market exists which creates draw for foreign workers to immigrate. But economics is really not my forte, and I'm not sure at all if the benefits of a more free market outweigh the benefits of letting American citizens have more jobs. My philosophy however is that we should work together as a community to make benefit glorious nation of United States


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8080212 - 02/28/08 03:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Free Market.

If someone else can provide a service for cheaper than you can provide that same service then what is to be gained by doing it yourself?




We're simply talking about tax breaks though, with this bill. Creating incentives to invest in American workers seems like a good thing to me. Something about not only worrying about Wall Street, but Main Street as well... I can't remember all the rhetoric. :hehehe:


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8080216 - 02/28/08 03:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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My philosophy however is that we should work together as a community to make benefit glorious nation of United States




We could invest in the potassium industry. :smirk:


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8080220 - 02/28/08 03:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Look, United States is number 1 exporter of potassium, all other central European countries have inferior potassium. And that's what really matters


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8080223 - 02/28/08 03:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ahh, no no no, its Central Asian countries. :nono:

You're sentenced to watch it again! :evil:


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Re: Obama's 'Patriot' Act [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8080252 - 02/28/08 03:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!


... but seriously, good call


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