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pop magic(k)
#8071370 - 02/26/08 04:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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so i just discovered this. i've been studying chaos magick, discordianism and consciousness expansion for years now and also sigil magick but by some coincidences yesterday i happened upon grant morrison and his pop magic.
basically he says it like i always wanted to say but never had the proper words for it.
this is about learning to do magick & interact with gods & change belief systems.
PART ONE
THINKING ABOUT IT
All you need to begin the practice of magic is concentration, imagination and the ability to laugh at yourself and learn from mistakes. Some people like to dress up as Egyptians or monks to get themselves in the mood; others wear animal masks or Barbarella costumes. The use of ritual paraphernalia functions as an aid to the imagination only.
Anything you can imagine, anything you can symbolize, can be made to produce magical changes in your environment.
FIRST STEPS ON THE PATH
Magic is easy to do. Dozens of rulebooks and instruction manuals are available in the occult or "mind, body and spirit" sections of most modern bookstores. Many of the older manuals were written during times when a powerful and vindictive Church apparatus was attempting to suppress all roads to the truth but most of them are generally so heavily encoded and disguised behind arcane symbol systems that it's hardly worth the bother - except for an idea of how other people used THEIR imaginative powers to interpret non-ordinary contacts and communications.
Aleister Crowley - magic's Picasso - wrote this and I can't imagine say it any better than he did:
"In this book it is spoken of the sephiroth and the paths, of spirits and conjurations, of gods, spheres, and planes and many other things which may or may not exist. It is immaterial whether they exist or not. By doing certain things, certain results follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophical validity to any of them."
This is the most important rule of all which is why it's here at the start. As you continue to learn and develop your own psychocosms and styles of magical practice, as you encounter stranger and stranger denizens of the Hellworlds and Hyperworlds, you'll come back to these words of wisdom again and again with a fresh understanding each time.
HOW TO BE A MAGICIAN
Simple. Declare yourself a magician, behave like a magician, practice magic every day.
Be honest about your progress, your successes and failures. Tripping on 500 mushrooms might loosen your astral sphincter a little but it will not generally confer upon you any of the benefits of the magic I'm discussing here. Magic is about what you bring BACK from the Shining Realms of the Uberconscious. The magician dives into the Immense Other in search of tips and hints and treasures s/he can bring home to enrich life in the solid world. And, if necessary, Fake it till you make it.
HOW TO BE A MAGICIAN 2
Read lots of books on the subject to get in the mood. Talking about magic with non-magicians is like talking to virgins about shagging. Reading about magic is like reading about sex: it will get you horny for the real thing but it won't give you nearly as much fun.
Reading will give you a feel for what's crap and what can be usefully adapted to your own style. Develop discrimination. Don't buy into cults, aliens, paranoia, or complacency. Learn whom to trust and whom to steer clear of.
HOW TO BE A MAGICIAN 3
Put down the books, stop making excuses, and START.
MAGICAL CONSCIOUSNESS
Magical consciousness is a particular way of seeing and interacting with the real world. I experience it was what I can only describe as a "head-click", a feeling of absolute certainty accompanying a perceptual shift which gives real world transactions the numinous, uncanny feeling of dreams. Magical consciousness is a way of experiencing and participating with the local environment in a heightened, significant manner, similar to the effects of some drug trips, Salvador Dali's "Paranoiac/critical" method, near death experiences, etc. Many apparently precognitive and telepathic latencies become more active during periods of magical consciousness. This is the state in which tea leaves are read, curses are cast, goals are scored, poems are written.
EXPERIMENT:
As a first exercise in magical consciousness spend five minutes looking at everything around you as if ALL OF IT was trying to tell you something very important. How did that light bulb come to be here exactly? Why does the murder victim in the newspaper have the same unusual surname as your father-in-law? Why did the phone ring, just at that moment and what were you thinking when it did?
What's that water stain on the wall of the building opposite? How does it make you feel?
Five minutes of focus during which everything is significant, everything is luminous and heavy with meaning, like the objects seen in dreams.
Go.
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b0red5tiff said: As a first exercise in magical consciousness spend five minutes looking at everything around you as if ALL OF IT was trying to tell you something very important. How did that light bulb come to be here exactly?
i read magic and smirked then i read this shit and lold
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thedudenj
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: ohmatic]
#8072398 - 02/26/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh have magical orgies they always help one with magic
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Have you seen his lecture at the Disinfo Conference? It's awesome.
Where did you get that write-up?
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: Middleman]
#8076306 - 02/27/08 08:30 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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i happened upon his lecture on google video after looking for RAW lectures, then listened to GM and on his speech his first sentence mentioned RAW so i listened to the whole thing and all the pieces fit.
then i gave that link to a new friend i met and he said GM and RAW are his main influences and he too practises magick. then he sent me a .doc file on pop magic.
i have the whole thing, it's about 12 pages.
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Middleman

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Cool. Yeah, it's weird how Crowley, Leary, RAW, PKD, Carroll and Hyatt are all interconnected.
Here's the rest: http://www.grant-morrison.com/pop_magic_part_one.htm
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: Middleman]
#8076535 - 02/27/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grant Morrison rocks
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thedudenj
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wtf is up with the K in magic i like magic as magic tho i do have a magic circle that is a K circle and the k isnt about special K like my special K turns while driving. tho the circle does use k here and there for magic. so yeah
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: thedudenj]
#8100388 - 03/04/08 02:25 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll tell ya what the K in magick is all about...
haha
Anyways. I think Grant Morrison is a badass motherfucker, I still haven't bought his comics yet though. I can really relate with him...he's not full of shit.
I've been studying and practicing [chaos] magick for a couple of years now. I started off with sigil magick, some of it worked some of it didn't, but I've been learning new techniques to make it more effective (forgetting the intention behind the symbol has been difficult for me). I've also done a few elementary excercises with vibrating words of power, which has proved useful thus far, but I need to work on my memory capabilities and being able to focus. I've also been through a couple of mock OTO initiations, I didn't understand some of it.
I have experimented and had some success, and I love it all so far. Magick has been a central focal point for me lately, but it's sort of hard to do anything private with all of my roommates here. I fully intend to start learning more after I move into my new place tomorrow (TOMORROW! YESSSS!!!). I'll have only 1 room-mate instead of 4.
I bet there are some people here on the shroomery who have been studying and practicing magick for years. I'm interested in what they have to say about it all.
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Edited by KetamineKatalyst (03/04/08 02:32 AM)
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Give me a bit, and I'll upload some very insightful ebooks. I can't stand to read ebooks on a computer, so if I can't afford a book, I just print it off! You can actually find occult books online that are nearly impossible to find elsewhere because they're very rare. I'm stoned and tired, so it might have to wait until morning...
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thedudenj
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i know what sigils are but i also kinda find them just a unneeded step if you have enough will and EXP you can just cast stuff on things
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: thedudenj]
#8100573 - 03/04/08 05:53 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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each to his own, i'm glad you have mastered the dark arts though.
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as you grow older you will get older unless you live in caves and come out to sun bathe
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: hazhazhel]
#8100818 - 03/04/08 08:33 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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magick comes for those who hear, not in books directly, but indirectly
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: hazhazhel]
#8113183 - 03/06/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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i used to read about the crafts and after learning about many different styles i realized something. it's not something you can learn, and it's not something someone tells you. it's like religions, there are so many different ones and people kill over who is right and who is wrong. if you take a step back you see that it's all the same basic ideas. the same goes for 'magic', it's already inside you. you just need to learn to clear yourself, focus and release. it's always been there waiting for you. there is no need to follow someone elses directions, spells or trainings. no need to study or have a mentor. it's an individual thing that you can create as you see fit. practicing in your own way is what will help your success the most. why?, because your own 'way' is what is truly suited to you the best. try it and don't limit yourself to rules. put your 'craft' out there in your own way and see what happens. i think you'll be surprised!
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: zigzag]
#8113409 - 03/06/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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93 ^Well.... I agree with that to a degree. Some people are better fit for traditional ceremonial style magick, just as some are better fit for chaos. A musician can become great by playing and learning by ear and just letting things flow, or (s)he can become great by intense discipline and structure. There is also immense power in many traditional and aged rituals that have been practiced over and over by many people.
And studying may not make one a master, but one can learn a good deal about association. By studying the Qabala, for instance, one begins to construct an abstract language to better understand the universe on a subconscious level. Experience is great, but without understanding and incorporation of its attributes, it becomes but a fleeting memory. 93 93/93
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: lavod]
#8156912 - 03/17/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Instead of posting chaos magick ebooks individually, I'll just share some links that I googled that contain tons of good information.
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos_all.php
http://jaq.chaosmagic.com/Library.htm
http://www.sacred-magick.com/Main.html?http://www.sacred-magick.com/PDF.html
There are a few sites that contains incredible amounts of information.
I've printed off a few hard to find books already, it's convenient.
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: lavod]
#8156914 - 03/17/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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lavod said: 93 ^Well.... I agree with that to a degree. Some people are better fit for traditional ceremonial style magick, just as some are better fit for chaos. A musician can become great by playing and learning by ear and just letting things flow, or (s)he can become great by intense discipline and structure. There is also immense power in many traditional and aged rituals that have been practiced over and over by many people.
And studying may not make one a master, but one can learn a good deal about association. By studying the Qabala, for instance, one begins to construct an abstract language to better understand the universe on a subconscious level. Experience is great, but without understanding and incorporation of its attributes, it becomes but a fleeting memory. 93 93/93
Well put!
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thedudenj
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i just question if its dark to eat peoples souls and minds with out them being fully aware of the fact their feeding it to you cause alot of people dont want to have that explained to them let alone know its being done
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: thedudenj]
#8156949 - 03/17/08 11:34 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has someone tried "eating your soul" or something? What do you mean by what you said? Maybe I'm too stoned haha
I did live with a guy, who practiced dark magick and I knew he was fucking with us all. I think he went quite insane from it all, and I don't know if he'll ever get over it...
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if you think you have a soul i suppose it can be eaten.
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thedudenj
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ha ha magic works thru souls unless you are just trying to give it another name
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: thedudenj]
#8156974 - 03/17/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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that's just your opinion.
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b0red5tiff said: if you think you have a soul i suppose it can be eaten.
93 Yeah, they're pretty good actually. Kind of like bbq eel.  93 93/93
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thedudenj
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Re: pop magic(k) [Re: lavod]
#8157189 - 03/17/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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the other half of magic is just alot of dark or colorful metaphors
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