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    #8070341 - 02/25/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

friend wanted me to ask, is its possible to shoot a 9mm from 100 yards away and hit a milk jug?


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Re: Handguns [Re: drumanick0]
    #8070354 - 02/25/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why doesn't the friend try it and find out?
If there isn't any significant wind around, I guess it's possible.


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Re: Handguns [Re: drumanick0]
    #8070399 - 02/25/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yes


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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8070404 - 02/25/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, this is possible.


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Re: Handguns [Re: drumanick0]
    #8070406 - 02/25/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you planning on killing someone?


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Re: Handguns [Re: drumanick0]
    #8070420 - 02/25/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

how would this not be possible?

probably not at 1000 yards, but 100 yards yes, it is humanly possible.


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Re: Handguns [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8070435 - 02/25/08 10:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

with a pistol it's more difficult than you think
I'm trying to find a video of a man shooting a balloon
from 350 feet with a snub nose .38

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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8070531 - 02/25/08 10:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've actually done that, I shot a coke bottle from 100yards, I did have a scope but it was just a circle-dot scope no magnification.


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Re: Handguns [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #8070832 - 02/25/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i dropped a deer at 80 yards with a 44.Magnum i had a scope but i still got the bastard.


and yes it is possible too hit a milk jug at 100 yards with a 9mm. Ive used a high point carbine and have done it but it has a much longer barrel, and makes it way more accurate, but it did hit it. dunno if i could do that with my beretta, maybe my s&w


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Re: Handguns [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #8070902 - 02/25/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the guy I'm referring to is an exhibition shooter, he used open sights, windage and trajectory with a 2" barrel over that distance without optics...

still havent found it yet


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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8070987 - 02/26/08 12:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

personally i spent about 50 9mm rounds shooting at a milk jug full of water at about 30 feet (10 yards) and i missed every time except when i went up with the last 2 rounds and shot it point blank.

i have very little shooting expierence.

however, on that same trip, i hit a gatoride bottle at over 60 feet....

so yeah, its possible.... even likely if your a trained shooter with a good gun, and properly adjusted dights.


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Re: Handguns [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8071159 - 02/26/08 01:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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how would this not be possible?

probably not at 1000 yards, but 100 yards yes, it is humanly possible.




Not possible, unless you count luck. A shooter with a life time of experiance might hit it 1/1000 times.

I would compair said task to golf and hiting a hole in one. Sure, it happens, no one ever expects it tho.

I got shot at some time ago, and the asshole was less than 50 yards away accross a big street in a yard.
( b4 you ask its a dumb story )
the bastard could not hit me or my friend out in the open ( granted running for our lives :p) his first shot we were standing still. Two adult males are certainly larger than milk jugs.


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Re: Handguns [Re: drumanick0]
    #8071454 - 02/26/08 06:10 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

A guy I shoot with hit a balloon we had set up at 200 metres (218 yards) with his 5th shot with a 9mm. This was from a Norinco NP22 (Chinese Sig 226 copy.) I've watched other guys set up a gong around the same distance and hit it 8 or 9 times out of 10 with an XD40. Gong was maybe twice the size of a dinner plate.


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Re: Handguns [Re: inetd]
    #8071566 - 02/26/08 08:18 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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A guy I shoot with hit a balloon we had set up at 200 metres (218 yards) with his 5th shot with a 9mm. This was from a Norinco NP22 (Chinese Sig 226 copy.) I've watched other guys set up a gong around the same distance and hit it 8 or 9 times out of 10 with an XD40. Gong was maybe twice the size of a dinner plate.



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Re: Handguns [Re: drumanick0]
    #8071575 - 02/26/08 08:25 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Assualt rifles can go miles if your looking for distance


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Re: Handguns [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #8071812 - 02/26/08 09:52 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Maximum effective range of an m9 (9mm sidearm) is 55 yards.

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definatly short of 100 yards, quite short of 200+ meters.

Your all full of shit :fishsmack:


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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8071834 - 02/26/08 09:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You responded to me, and I said ASSUALT RIFFLES


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Re: Handguns [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #8071838 - 02/26/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

my bad. AR's yes 9mm handguns prolly not


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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8071842 - 02/26/08 10:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Maximum effective range of an m9 (9mm sidearm) is 55 yards.




I will give you 70 yards and I will start shooting at you with my 9mm Hipoint piece of shit handgun.


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Re: Handguns [Re: Drummer]
    #8071944 - 02/26/08 10:39 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

hahaha, hi-points are such pieces of shit!


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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8071946 - 02/26/08 10:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Maximum effective range of an m9 (9mm sidearm) is 55 yards.

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definatly short of 100 yards, quite short of 200+ meters.

Your all full of shit :fishsmack:





that's the distance for killing a a human, not a balloon

here's the same shot, open sights with a .45



same guys shooting a quarter, open sights, .45acp



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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8071964 - 02/26/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I am a competitive shooter. I shoot with a 9mm and im ganna tell you, it's not impossible at all to hit a target at 100 yards. I can hit a target center ring 1/4 times at that distance.


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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8071972 - 02/26/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

theres a reason in your videos the guy is using a 45.
Funny thing you didnt find one of him shooting a 9mm.


And I have been shot at from 70 yards or so. I wasnt hit, niether was my friend. It sounded like a 9mm.


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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8072006 - 02/26/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

hitting a target is all in the shooter, not the gun
the effective range of a .45 is only 75 yards and killing
a balloon at 100 yards isnt that difficult if you know how
to shoot even with a 9mm


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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8072032 - 02/26/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Props to the rifle shooting. Ive handeled firearms my whole life and admit i havent been compeled to shoot balloons, however i have spent a thousand + hours indoors (40 yards max.) Im as good a shot as anyone in there and that target (human shilluette) is pretty elusive at 40 yards with a 9mm. I throw a round from time to time. With a rifle 40 yards in nothing. I guess if you had an exotic 9mm with a barrel + 10 inches, scope, and prolly a single shot mechinism you could be pretty accurate at 100 yards. Now that gun i just invented in my head seems more like a carbine rifle (without a butt stock), but for arguments sake it would work.

you sound like you know your shit prisioner, surley you would not dissagree that at 100 yards an iron site would cover about 6 inches worth of target? Thats alot to account for IME.


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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8072068 - 02/26/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Now imagine trying to be accurate with flintlock musket or other out-dated firearm :frown:


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Re: Handguns [Re: Irdamage]
    #8072123 - 02/26/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Im ganna try it with a throwing knife! not really.


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Re: Handguns [Re: Kada]
    #8072127 - 02/26/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Sling shot all the way, man.


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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8072151 - 02/26/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Im as good a shot as anyone in there and that target (human shilluette) is pretty elusive at 40 yards with a 9mm.





apparently you're not that great a shot if you have a
hard time at 40 yards with a 9mm on a silhouette, ,my
63 yo mother has no problem at 50 with her airweight .38
she's best shooting from the hip.

watch the guy with the steyer walk into the frame, listen for the ring





Quote:

I guess if you had an exotic 9mm with a barrel + 10 inches, scope, and prolly a single shot mechinism you could be pretty accurate at 100 yards.




learn your pistol, learn yourself, and know that some
people are just good shooters while others lack the
skill, I have no problem shooting at ranges, as I
mentioned before learning trajectory and windage is a
must, there's no need for enhanced optics, extra long
barrels and such, the second video was open sights at 100
yards shooting a quarter, sure it was a .45 but it was a
semiauto with a 5" barrel.


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you sound like you know your shit prisioner, surley you would not dissagree that at 100 yards an iron site would cover about 6 inches worth of target? Thats alot to account for IME.





it's quite possible, the sights do cover some of the
target, again it's knowing your weapon, as for knowing my
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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8072452 - 02/26/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ok i made a call.. im going to the range in 2 hours with some cops, im going to see if any of them ( or our buddies that own the range ) can hit a quarter at 30+ yards. We will be shoting 9's, 40's, a 45 and just for fun an AR 15 ( if the snow isnt bad. )  Ill see if anyone can hit it in 5 shots. Not that i dont believe you pub forum experts or anything, but im sure your no better than old cops or gunsmiths that shoot more then they wack off, so its a fair test. No more e-penis measuring, im going to find out the hard way :wink:


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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8072494 - 02/26/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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im going to the range in 2 hours with some cops





I hope they can hit the paper somewhere

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    #8072521 - 02/26/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ha, ya i can never pass on a genuine oppertunity to make fun of cops. Well if your competitive shooting is so special im sure the guy on the SWAT team will be proficient in the discipline. Dont forget ive done some shooting myself, including acctual firefights :frown: not that im braging, but im breathing.


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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8072530 - 02/26/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

best shooter I'd ever known had a lazy eye, at 40yds he made
eyes and eyebrows on a silhouette, the range master asked
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    #8072531 - 02/26/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It seriously never ceases to amaze me how many people on an otherwise intelligent online community advocate the use of guns.


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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8072539 - 02/26/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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that's the distance for killing a a human, not a balloon

here's the same shot, open sights with a .45




not that im backpeadling, but i overlooked this statement which makes alot of sence.

Let me ask this; what kindof drop does a 9mm handgun round have over 100 yards. In other words how high above the target do you have to aim in said scenario?


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    #8072555 - 02/26/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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best shooter I'd ever known had a lazy eye, at 40yds he made
eyes and eyebrows on a silhouette, the range master asked
how long he's been shooting, it was his first time with a pistol



ive seen alot of beginers do very well on their first go. By the third or fourth trip shooting they start messing up the triger pull in anticipation. The suprize makes them good i think, but when they worry about the POp they flinch.

unrelated: i feel like i was a better marksman in my teenage years. I was definatly better with a shotgun, although im still the best shot in my family. My 18 yr old cousin is in a close second.


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    #8072564 - 02/26/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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It seriously never ceases to amaze me how many people on an otherwise intelligent online community advocate the use of guns.





if you want that debate... I'm ready, GUNS SAVE LIVES IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS

cops are never there when the shit is going down, they're
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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8072572 - 02/26/08 01:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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My 18 yr old cousin is in a close second.





my mom is still a better shot than me :frown:
she started teaching me with her marlin and an M1 at the age of 6


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    #8072576 - 02/26/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Let me ask this; what kindof drop does a 9mm handgun round have over 100 yards. In other words how high above the target do you have to aim in said scenario?





depends on the round and the range conditions


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    #8072607 - 02/26/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

sam420 said:
It seriously never ceases to amaze me how many people on an otherwise intelligent online community advocate the use of guns.





if you want that debate... I'm ready, GUNS SAVE LIVES IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS

cops are never there when the shit is going down, they're
kinda useless unless it's to take a report




Nah to be honest Prisoner#1, I don't want that debate :tongue:  In full and total respect to you I think we are different personalities and  I don't see any conclusion being reached :grin:


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    #8072615 - 02/26/08 01:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

sam420 said:
It seriously never ceases to amaze me how many people on an otherwise intelligent online community advocate the use of guns.





if you want that debate... I'm ready, GUNS SAVE LIVES IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS

cops are never there when the shit is going down, they're
kinda useless unless it's to take a report




In my city a priority 1 call to police gets an average response time of 13 min. What can happen to your wife or daughter in 13 min? Bearing arms is a key to sustaining liberty and testiment to freedom.


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Re: Handguns [Re: drumanick0]
    #8072633 - 02/26/08 01:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It might be possible if you're



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Re: Handguns [Re: rodfarva]
    #8072642 - 02/26/08 01:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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rodfarva said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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sam420 said:
It seriously never ceases to amaze me how many people on an otherwise intelligent online community advocate the use of guns.





if you want that debate... I'm ready, GUNS SAVE LIVES IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS

cops are never there when the shit is going down, they're
kinda useless unless it's to take a report




In my city a priority 1 call to police gets an average response time of 13 min. What can happen to your wife or daughter in 13 min? Bearing arms is a key to sustaining liberty and testiment to freedom.




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Re: Handguns [Re: sam420]
    #8072644 - 02/26/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Nah to be honest Prisoner#1, I don't want that debate :tongue:  In full and total respect to you I think we are different personalities and  I don't see any conclusion being reached :grin:




there's never been any evidence that banning firearms has
curbed violent crime, being in scotland you know about
the debate on banning pocket knives because of the rise
in stabbings in the last several years, you've heard
about the increase in the use of cheap samurai swords for
assaults in addition to the use of air rifles...

what's next, banning alcohol because it's what leads to
the violence in most cases?


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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8072729 - 02/26/08 02:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i wish i had a gun :sad:


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Re: Handguns [Re: impgl]
    #8072746 - 02/26/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

become a cop and you'll get to shoot all sorts
of unarmed Brazilian students in london


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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8072992 - 02/26/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

someone po me a handgun in ND ill pick it out and take it to Canada......no worries.....I wont kill any cops.


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Re: Handguns [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #8073066 - 02/26/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

no need, the canadians are agreeing to allow american guns into canada

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=327869


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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8073143 - 02/26/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

nuffin pisses me off more then brazilians.... nuffin.


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Re: Handguns [Re: impgl]
    #8073149 - 02/26/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I bet you have brazillions of brazilians over there


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Re: Handguns [Re: impgl]
    #8073153 - 02/26/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Handguns are a modern form of evolution, which is good for mankind.

The more the idiots shoot each other, we still evolve.


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Re: Handguns [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #8073162 - 02/26/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i work with 2, and its a small company.


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Re: Handguns [Re: impgl]
    #8073164 - 02/26/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

idiots or handguns?  :dumbhunter:


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Re: Handguns [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8080486 - 02/28/08 06:52 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

lol


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Re: Handguns [Re: usg543]
    #8080718 - 02/28/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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you planning on killing someone?




as long as he isnt planning on takin on the techno viking


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