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mikeytro
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I still feel strongly that if guns were illegal the ability to obtain a gun (blackmarket or other wise) would be much more difficult
look at the fatality rates per year of gun shot wounds in the us compared to other countries where guns are illegal the difference is vast
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: Artnotwar]
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intense_cutn said: man, i have seen two guns in my life, and they were both pallet guns. i'm not saying that they aren't around, or that they aren't in the wrong hands, i'm just saying that they are a hell of a lot less common here than in america.
and aiyobro not everyone has mafia contacts.
fact is, criminals have more black market connects than average people. just because you cant find one, doesnt mean your local gang doesnt have access to dozens.
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there is still gun crime in EVERY single country where guns are outlawed.
yea do you know how big of a difference those numbers are? I have an article I saved from a sociology class on this, let me try and dig it up
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leftysurprise said: there is still gun crime in EVERY single country where guns are outlawed.
yeah, of course there is. just not as much here.
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: mikeytro]
#8069631 - 02/25/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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mikeytro said: I still feel strongly that if guns were illegal the ability to obtain a gun (blackmarket or other wise) would be much more difficult
look at the fatality rates per year of gun shot wounds in the us compared to other countries where guns are illegal the difference is vast
they just need to make it harder to get a gun, thats all. not ban them.
just remember, if you want to make something REALLY popular, ban it. bans of any material has not worked anywhere. regulation is the only way.
and yeah gun fatalities are higher here, but the amount of people who successfully protected themselves and their families is far above any other country with no guns.
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: mikeytro]
#8069648 - 02/25/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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there is still gun crime in EVERY single country where guns are outlawed.
yea do you know how big of a difference those numbers are? I have an article I saved from a sociology class on this, let me try and dig it up
dig.
the only thing this article will prove to me is that more people need to learn how to properly operate and own a gun, and then get one.
the founding fathers didnt make arms the second most important bill in the bill of rights for no reason.
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yes maybe tighter regulation may be better than banning however, I really dont thinking banning guns is going to make them more popular I sure know that I wouldn't feel more motivated to get a gun if it was made illegal
"but the amount of people who successfully protected themselves and their families is far above any other country with no guns"
they wouldn't need those guns if they weren't available in the first place. Also, is there any evidence towards this because I'm having a rough time seeing a large number of incidences where a gun actually saved an innocent person from a criminal
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: mikeytro]
#8069668 - 02/25/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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banning half of the guns here has not made people want guns more.
i think america is just gun crazy and that is what it comes down to.
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: Artnotwar]
#8069669 - 02/25/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: mikeytro]
#8069689 - 02/25/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will carry guns"
think about it
um look at the US, having guns legal makes it ten fold easier for 'outlaws' to obtain guns your point?
my point is look at the police, everyday theres one being arrested for murder, rape, robbery, shooting other cops, etc... allowing citizens to have guns allows us to defend ourselves against the criminals, criminals will get them regardless, and even without them they'll still kill, just look at the statistics in england and scotland
did banning guns in austrailia eliminate murders? has robbery and other violent crimes dropped?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304
sure, fewer people are being shot but frankly, it's less painful than bleeding to death from a stab wound, even if you dont die from injuries sustained from a knife the rehabilitation and reconstruction takes years
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: mikeytro]
#8069697 - 02/25/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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mikeytro said: yes maybe tighter regulation may be better than banning however, I really dont thinking banning guns is going to make them more popular I sure know that I wouldn't feel more motivated to get a gun if it was made illegal
"but the amount of people who successfully protected themselves and their families is far above any other country with no guns"
they wouldn't need those guns if they weren't available in the first place. Also, is there any evidence towards this because I'm having a rough time seeing a large number of incidences where a gun actually saved an innocent person from a criminal
im all for tighter regulation, so that way mentally unstable people and people with records of violent crime cannot ever get one(legally)
you may not feel more inclined to mike, however like me, you are more than likely an upstanding person and would go out of your way to help someone else, instead of harm them. not everyone is like us. not everyone goes about life in legal, nor moral ways. some people opt for crime over legit work. and guess what, banning guns will not stop them from entering the country, nor from being produced. its just like the current drug war, the harder they push, the harder people try to bring the product to the people. until crime is extinct, guns will always have a market, and where there is a market, there is a profit, and where there is a profit, you can bet your sweet ass that people will risk everything to make that profit.
its a nice thought you have mike, and if that thought were true, then i would be all for destruction of all weapons. but the fact is, there will always be guns in the hands of other people, and as long as that holds true, i will have guns as well. legally or not.
im not about to go digging for it, but yes, there are a large number of people every year who successfully protect themselves from violent crime here in the US with guns. women being the largest growing group. women are training with and buying guns more now than ever to protect themselves and there are plenty of success stories to prove it. you just rarely hear of it because it doesnt make as good of a news story as a young woman raped and murdered.
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good points and articles however, the ability of a person to inflict violence on number of people is greatly reduced when they arnt able to obtain guns
"allowing citizens to have guns allows us to defend ourselves against the criminals"
but seriously though - how often is the case when a citizen actually uses their gun for self protection?
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mikeytro said: yes maybe tighter regulation
im all for tighter regulation
ooo this thread is getting too serious i had to lighten it up
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: mikeytro]
#8069716 - 02/25/08 07:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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mikeytro said: yes maybe tighter regulation may be better than banning
lifting regulations will do more, Kennesaw Ga has a law that every home MUST own a gun, guess what, they're crime statistics have remained the lowest in the US for 20 years... seems that guns may indeed deter crime
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they wouldn't need those guns if they weren't available in the first place. Also, is there any evidence towards this because I'm having a rough time seeing a large number of incidences where a gun actually saved an innocent person from a criminal
the media doesnt report it often, but it happens a great deal
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stories/wcnc-022108-ah-robber.13efe600.html
http://www.whiotv.com/news/4565662/detail.html
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true that news stories are obviously biased if it bleeds it leads
anyways thanks for keeping a civil argument on the subject, I think it shows character for both of us on that note, I'm too lazy to further defend my view and I have a shit load of chem hw to do 
everyone has the right to their own opinion and voice it, now thats something great about this country
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: Artnotwar]
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: mikeytro]
#8069755 - 02/25/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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mikeytro said: good points and articles however, the ability of a person to inflict violence on number of people is greatly reduced when they arnt able to obtain guns
"allowing citizens to have guns allows us to defend ourselves against the criminals"
but seriously though - how often is the case when a citizen actually uses their gun for self protection?
my father would be dead at the hands of two carjackers in miami, if it were not for him carrying a pistol.
it happens alot more often then you think. for one you dont hear about it because youre in OZ, two, like i said before, our media would rather report about death and violence than someone successfully protecting themselves.
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: mikeytro]
#8069759 - 02/25/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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mikeytro said: the ability of a person to inflict violence on number of people is greatly reduced when they arnt able to obtain guns
complete bullshit.
think about all the bombings by the IRA over the years, think of how many are happening all over the world today do you really believe killing in large numbers is isolated to just guns?
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but seriously though - how often is the case when a citizen actually uses their gun for self protection?
already posted a couple articles on it, theres several from my area where people fought back, killed their assailants and lived to tell the story, with all the school shootings, mall shootings and such if everyone else was armed dont you think someone would have gotten a shot off?
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Re: I Got A Gun [Re: mikeytro]
#8069761 - 02/25/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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mikeytro said: true that news stories are obviously biased if it bleeds it leads
anyways thanks for keeping a civil argument on the subject, I think it shows character for both of us on that note, I'm too lazy to further defend my view and I have a shit load of chem hw to do 
everyone has the right to their own opinion and voice it, now thats something great about this country
lol. and to you kind sir.
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