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NeuroticTrip
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Hunting Dog
#8066948 - 02/24/08 11:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey, So I was curious... have any of you ever trained a dog to help you on your hunts? Just occurred to me it might not be something too difficult to do, and would make sense that it might be very effective.
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implee
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You should check out the search engine, there have been a few threads on this, thats all i can help sorry
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NeuroticTrip
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: implee]
#8066982 - 02/24/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Checked -- found some word about "drug dogs" but none used by actual hunters.
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unretarded
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My fear would be that fido would get a poison one ..one that kills. I think it was like 60 reported dogs treated for mushroom poisoning last year............meaning hundreds more went unreported.....also keep in mind this does not reflect the "lucky dogs" that ate edible ones that only the dog knows was eaten ,they apparently like them already without being encouraged.
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Cactu's friends dog loves to find P. cubensis. By the time the people get there, the dog has pretty much shredded them.
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Heh.
It wouldn't be hard to train the dog to find the mushrooms but not eat them if the dog wants an even better treat. It'd be pretty reasonable if you had the extra mushrooms around to train it with.
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sonicnirvana
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i havent done it but i heard something about that being how they find truffles. they train dogs from birth to sniff them out. it sounds feasible i guess...
just find out how they train truffle sniffing dogs and then follow the same procedure for psilocybes (im just assuming thats what youre hunting).
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wow look at that. there are a bunch of threads on this topic right under this in the "similar threads" section.
also someone said they use pigs to sniff out truffles. so get a pig.
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CureCat
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Pigs and dogs can hunt truffles.
The upside to pigs is that they are naturally keen on finding truffles, whereas dogs must be trained (though it is not too difficult from what i understand). The downside to pigs is that they like finding them and eating them.
So if they dig it up before you, you're SOL.
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: CureCat]
#8067950 - 02/25/08 09:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Easy way to train your dog is to find the mushrooms.
Throw away all of the dogs toy.
Buy one toy that the dog will like alot and you can put stuff in.
Rub the mushroom or truffle all over the toy and put some in it and give it to your dog.
Train the dog to find the toy.
Hide it durring the day and the dog will want its only toy when it shows up with it praise the dog.
Never play tug of war with the toy.
When you want to go hunting hide the toy a few days before where they will never find it like in the car.
Im training my dog to retrive rabits and birds I dont see mushrooms much diffrent.
If the dog rips up the patches just act like it attacked a cat and scream at it . It seems mean but after the first or second time if its a puppy it will rember and not do it again.
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#8067998 - 02/25/08 09:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Correct. I've trained tracking dogs before. Retrievers make the best trackers because they LOVE to get the ball when you throw it. Reward the dog for finding the mushrooms, trail, lost kid, etc., by throwing his favorite toy and letting him chase it. RR
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: CureCat]
#8068088 - 02/25/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Of course, truffles produce a *strong* odor to attract animals to dig them up and eat them. Their spores can't germinate unless they've been through an animal's digestive system.
If the mushroom to be hunted produces an odor that the dog can detect then that will help them considerably. Most mushrooms just smell like the earth they come from (at least to my nose).
None of that should discourage anybody from trying. Some of the best things people have come up with have been after others went into excruciating detail on why it couldn't be done.
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: ToxicMan]
#8068175 - 02/25/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think a weiner dog would be best for this.
just IMO FYI
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: Raven0us]
#8069793 - 02/25/08 07:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I seem to remember part of the dogs training was adding truffle oil to it's food, from puppy to dog. Truffle = food.
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: ToxicMan]
#8070325 - 02/25/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToxicMan said: Most mushrooms just smell like the earth they come from (at least to my nose).
REALLY???
Wow.... I notice a distinct and unique smell with almost every mushroom I've ever sniffed. Though, I've been told I have a pretty sensitive sense of smell. It just surprises me how much variation there is with peoples individual senses.
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Quote:
NeuroticTrip said: Hey, So I was curious... have any of you ever trained a dog to help you on your hunts? Just occurred to me it might not be something too difficult to do, and would make sense that it might be very effective.
Truffles are underground, pigs and dogs can locate them anyway. Cubes and other actives (that I know of) are above ground...visible. Why would you want a dog to slobber on them before you could pick them? Keep it simple and just have fun doing it yourself.
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: farmer88]
#8076311 - 02/27/08 08:32 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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it actually would not be too hard to train a dog to find mushrooms
the earlier you start the easier, and also depending on the breed of dog you are training, and also depending on your dogs personality
it would just be hard to train your dog to find a certain type of mushroom
also, training it to not eat the mushroom would not be a problem at all.....unless your dog is just a junk eater who will chomp down on anything....
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: farmer88]
#8077347 - 02/27/08 02:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally think that at least with psilocybe subaeruginosa, that the smell of these is the same as what Ive smelt with other mushrooms when out picking.
Its like the same smell you get if you dig around bark style mycillium (sp) networks.
Even when opening bags of products from bunnings etc for your garden, all have that mushroom (magic or not) style of smell.
I get the same massive influx of smells when you step into a forest in winter.
Id even bet dogs will lead you to gallerinas with the same sent as magics.
I have no doubt the dog could find mushrooms, I doubt whether it could find particular species, in a forest with millions of other earthy smells which, may smell identical to the real thing.
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dogs can probably smell tryptamines.
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: doitagain]
#8078367 - 02/27/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're underestimating dogs. They can tell the difference between people and follow them days after they've walked by. They even train dogs to smell the difference between cancer cells in moles on people and harmless moles. You train a dog to find one kind of mushroom and you can be damn sure if it isn't there when he says "IT'S HERE! GIMME MY TREAT!!!" It will be there or was there or it's in the ground getting ready to fruit. Get a short haired dog though, less burrs to pick out. I had a dog who had an uncanny ability to determine if a woman was menstruating, if he jammed his nose up her crotch and then pushed her to the ground and started humping her she wasn't, If he jammed his nose up her crotch and sniffed for 3 minutes then humped her she was on her period.
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smelling the blood from a menstruating warm body cavity, and the smell of a poisonous shroom next to an edible shroom seems to be a slightly different sport dude.
good show on your dogs uncanny period sniffing skills man, at least if your dog was doing that shit to ur missus etc youd know not even bother sucking up to her arse for a root then.
however I reckon leave your dog out of the mushroom hunting grounds to stop it shitting, pissing and trudging where others might be going.
I read in a post about not eating shrooms from where dogs may have shit (in respect to the "worms thread I think) so not only do you gotta train it find shrooms, you gotta make sure its not fucking up anything in a forest.
maybe just find them yourself and leave rover at home waiting for you to get all fucked up infront of when you get home.
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MYSTIQUE
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You will all think im crazy but dogs are no longer the best tracking animal they are gonna start use wasps now.
They can be made to find any smell in like a hour insted of a lifetime of training for one or a few smells.
Quote from news. Rains says the wasps can be trained to detect fungal diseases on crops while the damage is still below ground and can't be seen.
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Scientists recruit wasps for war on terror By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY Scientists at a Georgia laboratory have developed what could be a low-tech, low-cost weapon in the war on terrorism: trained wasps. Glen Rains uses the 'Wasp Hound' to monitor the behavior of wasps trained to detect a particular scent or volatile compound. Glen Rains uses the 'Wasp Hound' to monitor the behavior of wasps trained to detect a particular scent or volatile compound. By Brad Haire, University of Georgia via AFP
The tiny, non-stinging wasps can check for hidden explosives at airports and monitor for toxins in subway tunnels.
"You can rear them by the thousands, and you can train them within a matter of minutes," says Joe Lewis, a U.S. Agriculture Department entomologist. "This is just the very tip of the iceberg of a very new resource."
Lewis and others at the University of Georgia-Tifton Campus developed a handheld "Wasp Hound" to contain the wasps while they sniff out chemicals and other substances.
Lewis and his partner, University of Georgia biological engineer Glen Rains, say their device is ready for pilot tests and could be available for commercial use in five to 10 years.
Rains says the wasps could one day be used instead of dogs to check for explosives in cargo containers coming in to the nation's seaports, in vehicles crossing at border checkpoints, at airports and anywhere else where security should be tight.
"It's real easy to learn how to work with them," he says about the wasps. "You could show somebody what to do in 30 to 40 minutes. And they're very specific in what they learn."
This new method comes as the government has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on high-tech equipment and training since 9/11 to secure the nation from another terrorist attack.
Bomb-sniffing dogs cost thousands of dollars and take months to train. High-tech equipment can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per unit and often has spotty performance.
"We don't have portable, flexible systems," Lewis says. AP The Microplitis croceipes wasp, which scientists say can be trained to detect bombs, illegal drugs, diseases and food toxins.
Scientists started working with the species, a type of parasitic wasp called Microplitis croceipes, decades ago — long before the terrorist attacks in 2001.
In the 1990s, the Defense Department paid for part of that work to find out whether wasps could be used for a variety of defense purposes, including sniffing out land mines. They couldn't do that well because the areas they would have to check are too vast.
The scientists — funded by the Agriculture Department and the University of Georgia — have looked at other uses for the wasps.
Rains says the wasps can be trained to detect fungal diseases on crops while the damage is still below ground and can't be seen.
This method would help farmers avoid having to spread toxic fungicide over an entire crop after the disease spreads. Rains says farmers would save money, and consumers and the environment would benefit as well.
The wasps may also be trained for medical uses, including detecting cancer or ulcers by smelling someone's breath.
They probably can be trained like dogs to find bodies buried in rubble, Rains says.
Given the strong government effort since 9/11 to focus on the nation's security, the scientists see a vast market for the wasps to detect explosives.
The wasps are trained with sugar water by using the classical conditioning techniques made famous by Pavlov's dogs. Rains says the wasps are sensitive to a host of chemical odors, including 2,4-DNT, a volatile compound used in dynamite.
To do their work, five wasps — each a half-inch long — are placed in a plastic cylinder that is 15 inches tall. This "Wasp Hound," which costs roughly $100 per unit, has a vent in one end and a camera that connects to a laptop computer.
When the wasps pick up an odor they've been trained to detect they gather by the vent — a response that can be measured by the computer or actually seen by observers.
Lewis says the wasps, when exposed to some chemicals, "can detect as low as four parts per billion, which is an incredibly small amount."
He says the "ability to capture nature and its marvels is ... revolutionary."
Rains says, "The sensitivity of animals (and insects) to chemicals in general is probably beyond what we can comprehend. We don't really know what the limits are."
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Re: Hunting Dog [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#8081229 - 02/28/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, I can't wait until they have drug sniffing wasps.
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Good point.
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