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BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis
    #8066741 - 02/24/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/25/ndrugs125.xml

The BBC is to break one of the last broadcasting taboos by screening footage of a woman injecting drugs.

Nicky Taylor, a journalist, is filmed smoking cannabis in cafes in Amsterdam before injecting the main ingredient of the stronger "skunk" variety of the drug in a laboratory.

The programme, provisionally called How High Can I Get?, was commissioned from an independent producer.

It will be broadcast on BBC3 in the next few months and comes as the Government considers increasing the penalties for cannabis possession.

Marjorie Wallace, the chief executive of Sane, a mental health charity, said: "It is difficult to see what can be learnt from this experiment. Cannabis affects no two individuals in the same way.

"The majority of people may have little or no reaction, even to stronger forms of the drug.

"But for the 10-20 per cent of those who are considered to be vulnerable, taking it could lead to psychotic illness. "

David Davies, the shadow Home Secretary, said on Sunday night: "I very much hope that this programme will contain a strong anti-drugs message that will stop people experimenting rather than glamourising drugs use."

Miss Taylor was injected with THC, the main component of "skunk" cannabis, last October at the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College London.

The experiment is legal as it takes place in a laboratory licensed to carry out such tests.

The scientists are running tests to analyse claims that skunk cannabis, which accounts for 80 per cent of the drug sold on the street, causes psychosis.

Miss Taylor was then filmed as the effects of the drug took hold. Dr Paul Morrison, one of the scientists in charge of the programme, told The Daily Telegraph: "I can't talk about the experiences of any of our participants without their say-so."

The BBC also declined to provide a detailed account of what happened.

However, one source who has seen the effects on Miss Taylor said: "The effect was dramatic. It was unpleasant."

The BBC is understood to be keen to show the film on the eve of a decision by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, to recriminalise cannabis by upgrading it from C to B status. Her decision is expected in the spring.

A BBC spokesman said on Sunday that the programme would be screened after the 9pm watershed to discourage younger viewers.

She said: "Nicky fully researched the subject and undertook the trials under supervision, with medical advice. She has not suffered any ill effects since filming finished.

"The film unequivocally highlights the risks of consuming the drug and will be scheduled post-watershed.

"Nicky Taylor is a critically acclaimed journalist who becomes fully immersed in her subject, in order to highlight the risks of potentially dangerous activities.

"Her films have included investigations into plastic surgery, in which she undertook surgery, and binge drinking in which she drank large amounts of alcohol.

"Her approach has proved successful in highlighting important health risks with a younger audience."

The programme breaks one of the last broadcasting taboos. An episode of Panorama that featured a reporter taking LSD in the 1950s was not broadcast for more than 30 years because of fears it may encourage drug taking.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8066808 - 02/24/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Haha, that would be awesome to shoot up THC!

I don't know if I believe this, but my mom told me her x-husband use to shoot up THC. I told her it was probably heroin or something. How common is this? And what method is used to get pure THC?


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8066861 - 02/24/08 11:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

SHIT, that sounds awesome. I bet those other documentaries are pretty wild too.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: marshalldylan1]
    #8066867 - 02/24/08 11:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> How common is this?

I know of one person in chicago that injected pure THC. It was an ethanol solution.

> And what method is used to get pure THC?

Fractional distillation. It needs to be done under a vaccuum so it boils off before it starts to break down. The compounds with lower boiling points are completely legal and smell amazing.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: marshalldylan1]
    #8066889 - 02/24/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It doesn't matter... I hope she studies. Its been shown in medical research that high concentrations of THC in the bloodstream (way higher than can normally be reached by smoking) increases the rate at which the brain builds neural connections - simply put, you get high as hell, and your brain is able to learn at a much faster rate.

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051015/fob7.asp


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8066994 - 02/24/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The BBC is to break one of the last broadcasting taboos by screening footage of a woman injecting drugs.





pretty sure a&e already did this with their show "Intervention"


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: fiasco]
    #8067026 - 02/24/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

haha


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: usg543]
    #8067039 - 02/24/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lmao.. never even though of that


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #8067103 - 02/25/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if it were possible, i'd totally slam dance with some THC


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #8067235 - 02/25/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

again with the skunk. I love how they say the main ingredient in the stronger "skunk" cannabis. So what's in normal cannabis?


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: THEBats]
    #8067561 - 02/25/08 03:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ethanol? in your veins? what the?


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: rushofblood]
    #8067734 - 02/25/08 06:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

wouldn't such large amounts of THC in the blood cause for a unsafe heart rate?


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: biggysmall]
    #8067782 - 02/25/08 07:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

now first off, injecting thc.... why would they even start something like that? people who would have never thought about that would now consider it.

and....

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Nicky fully researched the subject and undertook the trials under supervision, with medical advice. She has not suffered any ill effects since filming finished




A chemical is a chemical, not suffering any ill effects when doing something like injecting thc in a controlled environment just goes to show that the chemical isn't all that harmful as long as it's done properly.

i just can't understand the governments logic


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: SapphireCat]
    #8067823 - 02/25/08 07:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Someone toking on a spliff is not that dangerous.

But hotlining? OH CANNABIS IS WORSE THAN THE NAZIS!

It's not slightly innocious like Kenneth Williams, oh no. Because now it's called skunk, all the evil cannabis that's more addictive than heroin, and more dangerous than LDS (I have read the daily mail before, many things slip by the proofreaders). It'll turn our children insane with just one look at the vice of darkies/polish/muslims/other minority group responsible for all our woes.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8067889 - 02/25/08 08:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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"The majority of people may have little or no reaction, even to stronger forms of the drug.

"But for the 10-20 per cent of those who are considered to be vulnerable, taking it could lead to psychotic illness. "





Umm... what? Is he saying only 10-20% of people can get high off pot? I don't believe.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: DragonChaser]
    #8067922 - 02/25/08 08:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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"The majority of people may have little or no reaction, even to stronger forms of the drug.

"But for the 10-20 per cent of those who are considered to be vulnerable, taking it could lead to psychotic illness. "





Umm... what? Is he saying only 10-20% of people can get high off pot? I don't believe.




Since when is getting high a psychotic illness? Don't answer that. But in all seriousness I believe he's suggesting that for 10-20% of the population marijuana acts as a catalyst for mental illnesses such as schizophrenia. What I don't believe is the 10-20%.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: THEBats]
    #8068147 - 02/25/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

10-20% of a percent maybe.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: THEBats]
    #8068169 - 02/25/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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b0red5tiff said:

"The majority of people may have little or no reaction, even to stronger forms of the drug.

"But for the 10-20 per cent of those who are considered to be vulnerable, taking it could lead to psychotic illness. "





Umm... what?  Is he saying only 10-20% of people can get high off pot?  I don't believe.




Since when is getting high a psychotic illness?  Don't answer that.  But in all seriousness I believe he's suggesting that for 10-20% of the population marijuana acts as a catalyst for mental illnesses such as schizophrenia.  What I don't believe is the 10-20%.




Ok, I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but I remember reading somewhere that the average person with no family history of schizophrenia has something like a .004% chance of developing it. I then read a prohibitionist claim that weed makes it 10x more likely for you to develop schizophrenia. So that means my chances of developing this disease even with smoking weed is .04% Yea, I think Ill be more concerned about some drunk killing me with his car, dying from a disease, or contracting HIV (and to reduce those chances, I'll be smoking my weed thank you).

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Miss Taylor was injected with THC, the main component of "skunk" cannabis,




Because 'regular' weed doesn't contain THC. :rolleyes:

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However, one source who has seen the effects on Miss Taylor said: "The effect was dramatic. It was unpleasant."




Well no shit. If she had really researched what she was doing she would know that THC causes anxiety, while another canniboid, CBD, reduces anxiety. She probably had a crazy panic attack if they shot her up with straight THC.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: NizzyJones]
    #8068170 - 02/25/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

conspiracy anyone?!?!?! I'm just going to assume that this release time has nothing to do with the gov't looking for reasons to reschedule that crazy "skunk" as they say

it's sad to see such blatent propaganda at such a crucial time for "skunk"


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: dylan388]
    #8068313 - 02/25/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah i smelt shenanigan's when red the topic of this on the main page.

OK so, can someone direct me too some PURE THC please, cause until this point i never heard of pure THC you could inject. i wanna lace my joints and bowls with it. just a couple drips lol.

also if this bullshit is true, then i don't know what this world is coming too. shooting cheeba...


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: nk pakelika]
    #8068485 - 02/25/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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yeah i smelt shenanigan's when red the topic of this on the main page.

OK so, can someone direct me too some PURE THC please, cause until this point i never heard of pure THC you could inject. i wanna lace my joints and bowls with it. just a couple drips lol.

also if this bullshit is true, then i don't know what this world is coming too. shooting cheeba...




Honey oil is pretty close to pure THC, it will contain other cannabinoids, which in my opinion, makes it superior.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: HighHat]
    #8068579 - 02/25/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ok, I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but I remember reading somewhere that the average person with no family history of schizophrenia has something like a .004% chance of developing it.





It's actually about 0.9%.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: nk pakelika]
    #8068613 - 02/25/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I love how they essentially describe this "experiment" as a biased presentation of the negative sides of marijuana use...

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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8068783 - 02/25/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm really loving this quote.

"I very much hope that this programme will contain a strong anti-drugs message that will stop people experimenting rather than glamourising drugs use."

Um... what? :confused:


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: Mandark]
    #8069199 - 02/25/08 04:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ok, I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but I remember reading somewhere that the average person with no family history of schizophrenia has something like a .004% chance of developing it.





It's actually about 0.9%.




Schizophrenia doesn't exist. Just because they seem a 'little' different than most of us, doesn't mean they have to get fed drugs that will actually turn them into crazies. There is no proof of any mental disorder to exist.
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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: ShroooomerToo]
    #8069414 - 02/25/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ok, I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but I remember reading somewhere that the average person with no family history of schizophrenia has something like a .004% chance of developing it.





It's actually about 0.9%.




Schizophrenia doesn't exist. Just because they seem a 'little' different than most of us, doesn't mean they have to get fed drugs that will actually turn them into crazies. There is no proof of any mental disorder to exist.
Look at the history of psychiatry, you will learn!




Do you have any websites that come to mind about that?


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: ShroooomerToo]
    #8070086 - 02/25/08 08:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Mandark said:
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HighHat said:
Ok, I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but I remember reading somewhere that the average person with no family history of schizophrenia has something like a .004% chance of developing it.





It's actually about 0.9%.




Schizophrenia doesn't exist. Just because they seem a 'little' different than most of us, doesn't mean they have to get fed drugs that will actually turn them into crazies. There is no proof of any mental disorder to exist.
Look at the history of psychiatry, you will learn!






secondly schizophrenia definatly exist. I really don't know what you mean by they don't. If you have ever spent time with a severe case you would know this.

Please save me the scientology trip...


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: ShroooomerToo]
    #8070370 - 02/25/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Schizophrenia doesn't exist. Just because they seem a 'little' different than most of us, doesn't mean they have to get fed drugs that will actually turn them into crazies. There is no proof of any mental disorder to exist.
Look at the history of psychiatry, you will learn!





What about the people in the street in san francisco who walk around talking to themselves all day?


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8070403 - 02/25/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The term schizophrenia encompasses alot of different and possibly unrelated mental conditions. Paranoid schizophrenia and catatonia are completely different but are labeled the same thing.

However, these are definately real illnesses, and we know that at the very least "postive" forms of schizophrenia, the kinds were people hear voices, etc. is related to elevated levels of dopamine in the brain higher dopamine receptor concentrations.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8070580 - 02/25/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Schizophrenia ia a very narrowly defined medical illness. It absolutely exists. Yes, there is eccentric, yes there is off the wall, and then there is schizophrenic. If you don't believe me, take it up with the DSM-IV TR or whatever the current edition of the DSM is.

Anyway, any time a person is taken out of a 'normal' state of mind there is a chance of latent psychosis expressing itself - this is especially so with hallucinogens because they break down the barriers of reality, and for some people that can lead to devastating consequences if they're not ready for it (a major reason why you never EVER give someone a drug without telling them). I once had a girl smoke a tulip with me, and she started going on and on about butterflies, and dinosaurs, rambling on and on, completely unable to be reached by any means. That is not a normal reaction to marijuana by any stretch of the imagination.


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8070784 - 02/25/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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nk pakelika said:
yeah i smelt shenanigan's when red the topic of this on the main page.

OK so, can someone direct me too some PURE THC please, cause until this point i never heard of pure THC you could inject. i wanna lace my joints and bowls with it. just a couple drips lol.

also if this bullshit is true, then i don't know what this world is coming too. shooting cheeba...




Honey oil is pretty close to pure THC, it will contain other cannabinoids, which in my opinion, makes it superior.




what do you mean honey oil, ive never heard of it?


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: THEBats]
    #8071097 - 02/26/08 01:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Identical twin studies were pwned by geneticists that discovered that identical twins don't have identical genes (although they are extremely similar.)


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Re: BBC film to show effects of injecting cannabis [Re: wiggles]
    #8075263 - 02/26/08 11:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I once had a girl smoke a tulip with me, and she started going on and on about butterflies, and dinosaurs, rambling on and on, completely unable to be reached by any means.




rofl, that's a fair bit of reef there.. so what were you expecting?!


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