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Invisibleappleorange
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Qigong and Tao?
    #8066110 - 02/24/08 08:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm so ignorant on both of these subjects, but for the folks out there who aren't. Are these two connected in anyway?


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: appleorange]
    #8066686 - 02/24/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

both are a fluid motion.


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Archemetis]
    #8067279 - 02/25/08 12:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Qigong (energy work) is a modern term for what used to be known more widely as neigong (internal work), which refers to a plethora of methods for self-cultivation practiced by the Daoists. Some systems focus on boosting health and longevity, others for strength and martial arts skills, and others for the pursuit of enlightenment.


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: appleorange]
    #8067617 - 02/25/08 05:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you want to understand Taoism read Tao Te Ching.
http://www.wright-house.com/religions/taoism/tao-te-ching.html


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8067618 - 02/25/08 05:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

...and then read it again...


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8067632 - 02/25/08 05:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Excerpt: "If nothing is done, then all will be well."

Sounds much like the "Way of the Potatao".


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8067638 - 02/25/08 05:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The important thing to know about The Tao is that it is ineffable and trancends language - which is why there are so many books on it.


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: appleorange]
    #8067941 - 02/25/08 09:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

appleorange said:
I'm so ignorant on both of these subjects, but for the folks out there who aren't. Are these two connected in anyway?




Everything is connected to Tao. It's just a concept for us to play with when chaos gets overwhelming.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (02/25/08 09:11 AM)


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8067953 - 02/25/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
...and then read it again...


:grin:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Lion]
    #8068534 - 02/25/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Words cannot describe the tao, so the more times you read it...


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8068563 - 02/25/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

...the more you become aware of that which it points to, and is a part of.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8069161 - 02/25/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You are correct in saying that the Tao cannot be described, but let me introduce you to the concept of a "signpost". Tao Te Ching is a signpost. A signpost points in the direction of understanding a concept. It gives clues as to the meaning and intention of the concept even if it cannot describe the concept directly. A road sign does not describe the destination...it just tells you what direction to travel.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8069203 - 02/25/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What really tickles me are the vast number of books that 'translate' The Tao te Ching from poetic imagery to actual advice and description.

Just because The Tao cannot be described doesn't prevent everybody and their dog from trying to do it and capitalize on the vague mystery of it all.


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8069211 - 02/25/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My dog has never capitalized on vague mystery. :mad2:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Lion]
    #8069217 - 02/25/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Unless by capitalize you mean jizz and vague mystery you mean the upholstery.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Lion]
    #8069244 - 02/25/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I may start a dog writing school...


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8069261 - 02/25/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How about a ghost writing school?  :snowman:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Lion]
    #8069275 - 02/25/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Protoplasmic beings cannot hold onto a pen or actuate a keyboard.


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: Lion]
    #8069288 - 02/25/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

whatever you guys end up doing, just make sure you don't leave out the ghost dogs. they need a writing school too.



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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8069306 - 02/25/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
I may start a dog writing school...


But they can move books in libraries...? :confused:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: appleorange]
    #8069308 - 02/25/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:laugh::lol:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: appleorange]
    #8069323 - 02/25/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I generally 'Scooby Doo' the dogs to help them access their creative side.


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Re: Qigong and Tao? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8071708 - 02/26/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
What really tickles me are the vast number of books that 'translate' The Tao te Ching from poetic imagery to actual advice and description.

Just because The Tao cannot be described doesn't prevent everybody and their dog from trying to do it and capitalize on the vague mystery of it all.




Humans have to do something with all the 60 to 80 years they are going to spend here. Humanity removed from doing the work of survival gets bored. It's either philosophy or guns.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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