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    #8065507 - 02/24/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So I've been smoking little bits of the DMT I obtained for myself a couple weeks ago. I don't have a scale, so I've been eying my doses carefully. I increase them bit by bit because I've been playing it safe. That said, I haven't broken through yet. All the doses I've smoked so far were rather mild; I generally have to lie down, and I see complex patterns racing across the back of my eyelids. I often come out of the peak (which lasts a few minutes) with a feeling of intense time dilation and mild exhaustion, tempered by a feeling of relaxation. The mental effects can't really be described but are definitely present to some extent.

This is interesting, to be sure, but not really the same as the mind-boggling experiences I've read about.

My question is simple:

Double it?


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8065531 - 02/24/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if you want to break though, then yes. double it. not like you're going to die or anything...  :lol:


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8065536 - 02/24/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. You just need to smoke as much as you can before you can't anymore. It's so easy to back off after 2 hits because you're getting so f'd up, but take one more huge hit.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8065539 - 02/24/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah. You just need to smoke as much as you can before you can't anymore. It's so easy to back off after 2 hits because you're getting so f'd up, but take one more huge hit.




YES! exactly what he said.

just curious. how are you smoking it? what kind of contraption you got goin on?


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8065549 - 02/24/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Just a good old-fashioned, highly incriminating crack pipe.

Generally, I stop smoking because it stops vaporizing (at least thickly), though I usually am starting to feel the effects by this point.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8065555 - 02/24/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"when in doubt double the dose." :smile: and take bigger hits.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: waixingren]
    #8065569 - 02/24/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Plug it!:macdre:


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: waixingren]
    #8065577 - 02/24/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the best way that worked for me to smoke dmt, was to get a 1 liter pepsi/coke bottle. cut the bottom off and fit some foil around the bottom and make a little indent so i could put the dmt in it, and vap it from the bottom without it turning to liquid and running away. cap the top and cut a carb in the side. cover both the top and the carb, and vap it. the whole bottle will fill up with dmt smoke. when it stops, take the cap off and inhale that bitch. you might not clear it in one lung full, but hold it in as long as you can, then go for the rest.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8065609 - 02/24/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

just saying that cause the crack/meth pipe way never worked that well for me.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8065622 - 02/24/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Just a good old-fashioned, highly incriminating crack pipe.

Generally, I stop smoking because it stops vaporizing (at least thickly), though I usually am starting to feel the effects by this point.




i have found that a "crack-pipe" water bubbler pipe works best for me. the secret to having the "breakthrough" you are looking for is to 1)not to worry about wasting your spice. load a decent sized dose. i don't have a milligram scale either so i just load it nice. so even if you put 50-75mg in the pipe that doesn't mean you're going to smoke it all but, if you can then you're in for a nice treat!!!!!  2) exercise your lungs. if you can inhale all of your dose in one lungful an hold it then you WILL break through. the object is to get enough dmt built up in your body at once withing a specific window of time. if you can still talk after 1 or 2 good lungfuls you didn't do it right.

in the past i've sat there and inhaled lungful after lungful until outer reality just vanished. it just takes some practice. don't be afraid to just load fat bowls and  rip that shit like a fucking tweeker =):grin:


try a tweeker water bong. they are the shit for freebasing dmt. the first time i tried it with a waterbong, i got such huge rips from it that i pissed my pants literally!!!!:eek:  definitely changed my outlook on the power of DMT.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8065624 - 02/24/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

For now, I'm going to try it again out of the crack pipe with a much bigger dose than last time.

Wish me luck.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8065744 - 02/24/08 07:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

good luck! do come back and tell us how it goes.

dmt is fuckin insane man. especially once you break through...

i did it outside only once. staring in this dudes back yard at all these trees. then this entity of some kind formed in the trees. just this big faces made of geometric patterns. it started thinking thoughts at me. it was fuckin weird, to say the least...


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8065837 - 02/24/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I really can't believe my last post was like forty minutes ago.

The smoke was extremely thick, and harsh, but I took as much as I could of it (about three decent-sized hits, I think). I really had to put the pipe down after the third.

I don't know if I "broke through" or not. I didn't go into fairyland or see any elves. But my awareness definitely entered some kind of alternate "space" in my mind, a weird little land of corners off the periphery of my vision, full of twists and turns that made a strange kind of sense; I had control over it, but I didn't. I was still aware of my body and my locality (my front room), though. Trying to describe it just doesn't really work, because of the insane number of things I was feeling and thinking at once. I felt sick, I felt terrified, I felt ecstatic, above all I was in awe. Most intense at first was the fear, the discomfort, but it subsided very rapidly. As far as I can tell it all happened in about five minutes, give or take.

God DAMN.

Right now I feel like I'm shrooming, but it is wearing off.

I'm probably going to smoke more later tonight. This took up most of the last of my first extraction (though I don't think I smoked it all and there's a big black smudge on the bottom of the pipe now), but I now have a full pound of rootbark waiting to be worked on. I definitely feel a need to go deeper.

Thanks for the advice, guys. The truth is I was extremely nervous to go into that deep territory, and I wanted some encouragement. Now I feel as though I've scratched the surface of whatever kind of "space" it is that DMT leads to.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8065855 - 02/24/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yea. im nervous every time i put that pipe up to my lips. i know once i inhale, theres no turning back. just gotta sit back and enjoy the ride.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8065912 - 02/24/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

that doesnt sound like a breakthrough, mebbe u should wait a week or so and try again, tolerance may be getting you

a breakthrough is where you completely lose track of this reality and get thrown into hyperspace


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8065920 - 02/24/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

From what I understand, DMT has no tolerance at all a half hour after use.

No, I definitely just need to smoke even more next time. It was like I found a hole in reality and started poking my nose through it, then backed off.

I'm beginning to have some perspective on just how damn tiny my earlier doses were.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8066099 - 02/24/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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not like you're going to die or anything...  :lol:




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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8066167 - 02/24/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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From what I understand, DMT has no tolerance at all a half hour after use.



source?

all of the classical psychedelics cause resistance due to the down-regulation of the 5-ht2a receptors
at least thats what ive heard

also on erowid it says 4 hours until you should repeat for full effects


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8066180 - 02/24/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My source is DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Dr. Rick Strassman. I believe DMT's tolerance is an exception from the other classic psychedelics due to the brain having mechanisms specifically to metabolize and break it down.

Four hours seems smart anyway, though.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8066190 - 02/24/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

oh awesome, thanks for that tidbit

guess im gonna have to grow a lot more phalaris :awesome:


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8066196 - 02/24/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

just smoke the shit out of it son! smoke and smoke, until you are physically unable to do it anymore. then try one last time. i usually get there by hit number 4. i always try to load way more than i need. the first few times are always the hardest to remember, but once you get a feel for the drug, and can resist giving into the "awe" it brings... this is where the elves reside. breaking through with this drug is more than just getting the proper amount into your system. it takes practice, to sort through the massive amounts of psychedelic information being thrown at you, to see what lives behind it. good luck, youll get there...

and as with any other psychedelic, the longer you wait between doses, the more special the journey will be. the shortened duration of dmt makes it easy to justify smoking multiple times in a day. but ive found that doing so can have an effect on the results. i usually try to wait at least a day or two between sessions. thats not to say i havent smoked it 3 times in a day before though.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8068003 - 02/25/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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oh awesome, thanks for that tidbit

guess im gonna have to grow a lot more phalaris :awesome:




phalaris isnt the most dmt rich plant material. i think that would take way too much and way too long... ever done that way before? im curious.


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8068336 - 02/25/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Tchan-

I have seen many people fall short of a breakthrough dose using a crack pipe.

It is tricky, harsh, and difficult to mess with in an inebriated state.

That is why I suggest (especially for home chemists with more spice than they know what to do with) taking bong hits.

You need a good bong, and some inert smoking herb. Load the herb over a clean screen, sprinkle LOTS of spice on it, then cover with more, finer ground herb.

Light it carefully, only enough flame to ignite the herb. Then draw the hit into the chamber slowly, so you get a large, thick, white hit. Release the carb and repeat until you physically can't anymore.

Treat it like you're smoking really good weed. Take it deep into your lungs, and hold it in... but not long enough so that you can't take another couple of hits.

Yeah, it wastes a little spice, but it opens up a doorway, so you don't have to go through that much trouble next time.

Just remember, use more than you usually would and keep hitting it until you don't understand what a bong is.

If you follow these instructions, you WILL break through. What breaking through actually means is a whole other discussion.

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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8069108 - 02/25/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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oh awesome, thanks for that tidbit

guess im gonna have to grow a lot more phalaris :awesome:




phalaris isnt the most dmt rich plant material. i think that would take way too much and way too long... ever done that way before? im curious.



thers a more obscure phalaris species that im growing, phalaris brachystachys, look for my grow log in the garden

theres a really good post about it on edot, ferdinand and several others estimate dmt content of 2-3%, and it doesnt have nearly as many nasties ad arundicea(sp?) or aquatica

the figure 3% comes from an actual reasearch paper on the use of phalris in ayahuasca, and its even mentioned on wikipedia, so either this is a massive misunderstanding/myth, or this phalaris is really potent

plus im not really in a postion to be able to do anything with mhrb


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8069435 - 02/25/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

MHRB is a pretty simple extraction IME. What sort of method do you use on the grass?


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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8069454 - 02/25/08 05:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

prolly simple a/b with a couple xylene defats, i dont really need to extract it down to spice, im just going to smoke it


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