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need advice on DMT breakthrough
#8065507 - 02/24/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I've been smoking little bits of the DMT I obtained for myself a couple weeks ago. I don't have a scale, so I've been eying my doses carefully. I increase them bit by bit because I've been playing it safe. That said, I haven't broken through yet. All the doses I've smoked so far were rather mild; I generally have to lie down, and I see complex patterns racing across the back of my eyelids. I often come out of the peak (which lasts a few minutes) with a feeling of intense time dilation and mild exhaustion, tempered by a feeling of relaxation. The mental effects can't really be described but are definitely present to some extent.
This is interesting, to be sure, but not really the same as the mind-boggling experiences I've read about.
My question is simple:
Double it?
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Edited by Tchan909 (02/24/08 06:16 PM)
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if you want to break though, then yes. double it. not like you're going to die or anything...
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Yeah. You just need to smoke as much as you can before you can't anymore. It's so easy to back off after 2 hits because you're getting so f'd up, but take one more huge hit.
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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8065539 - 02/24/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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mockeylock said: Yeah. You just need to smoke as much as you can before you can't anymore. It's so easy to back off after 2 hits because you're getting so f'd up, but take one more huge hit.
YES! exactly what he said.
just curious. how are you smoking it? what kind of contraption you got goin on?
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Edited by PilzeEssen (02/24/08 06:20 PM)
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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8065549 - 02/24/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just a good old-fashioned, highly incriminating crack pipe.
Generally, I stop smoking because it stops vaporizing (at least thickly), though I usually am starting to feel the effects by this point.
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"when in doubt double the dose." and take bigger hits.
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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: waixingren]
#8065569 - 02/24/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Plug it!
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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: waixingren]
#8065577 - 02/24/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the best way that worked for me to smoke dmt, was to get a 1 liter pepsi/coke bottle. cut the bottom off and fit some foil around the bottom and make a little indent so i could put the dmt in it, and vap it from the bottom without it turning to liquid and running away. cap the top and cut a carb in the side. cover both the top and the carb, and vap it. the whole bottle will fill up with dmt smoke. when it stops, take the cap off and inhale that bitch. you might not clear it in one lung full, but hold it in as long as you can, then go for the rest.
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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8065609 - 02/24/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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just saying that cause the crack/meth pipe way never worked that well for me.
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Tchan909 said: Just a good old-fashioned, highly incriminating crack pipe.
Generally, I stop smoking because it stops vaporizing (at least thickly), though I usually am starting to feel the effects by this point.
i have found that a "crack-pipe" water bubbler pipe works best for me. the secret to having the "breakthrough" you are looking for is to 1)not to worry about wasting your spice. load a decent sized dose. i don't have a milligram scale either so i just load it nice. so even if you put 50-75mg in the pipe that doesn't mean you're going to smoke it all but, if you can then you're in for a nice treat!!!!! 2) exercise your lungs. if you can inhale all of your dose in one lungful an hold it then you WILL break through. the object is to get enough dmt built up in your body at once withing a specific window of time. if you can still talk after 1 or 2 good lungfuls you didn't do it right.
in the past i've sat there and inhaled lungful after lungful until outer reality just vanished. it just takes some practice. don't be afraid to just load fat bowls and rip that shit like a fucking tweeker =)
try a tweeker water bong. they are the shit for freebasing dmt. the first time i tried it with a waterbong, i got such huge rips from it that i pissed my pants literally!!!! definitely changed my outlook on the power of DMT.
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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8065624 - 02/24/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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For now, I'm going to try it again out of the crack pipe with a much bigger dose than last time.
Wish me luck.
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good luck! do come back and tell us how it goes.
dmt is fuckin insane man. especially once you break through...
i did it outside only once. staring in this dudes back yard at all these trees. then this entity of some kind formed in the trees. just this big faces made of geometric patterns. it started thinking thoughts at me. it was fuckin weird, to say the least...
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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8065837 - 02/24/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I really can't believe my last post was like forty minutes ago.
The smoke was extremely thick, and harsh, but I took as much as I could of it (about three decent-sized hits, I think). I really had to put the pipe down after the third.
I don't know if I "broke through" or not. I didn't go into fairyland or see any elves. But my awareness definitely entered some kind of alternate "space" in my mind, a weird little land of corners off the periphery of my vision, full of twists and turns that made a strange kind of sense; I had control over it, but I didn't. I was still aware of my body and my locality (my front room), though. Trying to describe it just doesn't really work, because of the insane number of things I was feeling and thinking at once. I felt sick, I felt terrified, I felt ecstatic, above all I was in awe. Most intense at first was the fear, the discomfort, but it subsided very rapidly. As far as I can tell it all happened in about five minutes, give or take.
God DAMN.
Right now I feel like I'm shrooming, but it is wearing off.
I'm probably going to smoke more later tonight. This took up most of the last of my first extraction (though I don't think I smoked it all and there's a big black smudge on the bottom of the pipe now), but I now have a full pound of rootbark waiting to be worked on. I definitely feel a need to go deeper.
Thanks for the advice, guys. The truth is I was extremely nervous to go into that deep territory, and I wanted some encouragement. Now I feel as though I've scratched the surface of whatever kind of "space" it is that DMT leads to.
Edited by Tchan909 (02/24/08 07:33 PM)
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yea. im nervous every time i put that pipe up to my lips. i know once i inhale, theres no turning back. just gotta sit back and enjoy the ride.
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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8065912 - 02/24/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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that doesnt sound like a breakthrough, mebbe u should wait a week or so and try again, tolerance may be getting you
a breakthrough is where you completely lose track of this reality and get thrown into hyperspace
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From what I understand, DMT has no tolerance at all a half hour after use.
No, I definitely just need to smoke even more next time. It was like I found a hole in reality and started poking my nose through it, then backed off.
I'm beginning to have some perspective on just how damn tiny my earlier doses were.
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Edited by Tchan909 (02/24/08 07:52 PM)
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Re: need advice on DMT breakthrough [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8066099 - 02/24/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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PilzeEssen said: not like you're going to die or anything...
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Tchan909 said: From what I understand, DMT has no tolerance at all a half hour after use.
source?
all of the classical psychedelics cause resistance due to the down-regulation of the 5-ht2a receptors at least thats what ive heard
also on erowid it says 4 hours until you should repeat for full effects
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My source is DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Dr. Rick Strassman. I believe DMT's tolerance is an exception from the other classic psychedelics due to the brain having mechanisms specifically to metabolize and break it down.
Four hours seems smart anyway, though.
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oh awesome, thanks for that tidbit
guess im gonna have to grow a lot more phalaris
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