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The High School Complex
    #8064976 - 02/24/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This applies to everyone who has attended public schools.

There are many things that come to mind when one thinks of the word "high school," which vary from person to person. Everyone's experience of high school was different. For some people, it conjures up things such as hating the experience, being an outcast, and random boners when the class is going up to the board in turns and you're next. Yet for some, it incites the memories of being popular, having a good time, and hating on the former group of people described mercilessly in the twisted and cruel social hierarchy of school. Though all students can be split into these two groups, they all have one thing in common. This commonality is the fact that we are all victims of the true intention of the public school system, and its impact on the rest of our lives. Its role is to subordinate us, to keep us children as long as possible; and turn us into viable candidates for employees, whose only purpose in life to the government is to help feed its economy.

Going through school, knowing that its main function in society has become not to educate, but to subordinate, really makes one hate even attending. I love to learn, but the environment that public schools provide is so counteractive to a positive and healthy learning experience that I loathed every moment I was there. This exacerbated my already existing anxiety in social situations. There are so very many factors that contribute to this corruption of the school system, ranging from teachers that have ulterior motives in what they want to teach to the fact that less money is spent on Education than War, which leads us to the root of all the problems: the System itself. Trying to find ways to fix the problems it created in the first place, which just creates more problems in the process.

This is not to say that there are not good schools or teachers, because there are. This brings me to the conclusion of the problem that I have outlined.

There are "Free Skools" are out there, which exist void of the hierarchies of other schools and offer a wide range of classes and workshops. From Wikipedia:

"Free Skool Santa Cruz in California is perhaps typical of a new batch of free schools that are explicitly rooted in an anarchist tradition of collectivism, autonomy, and self-reliance, and feature informal, non-authoritarian learning outside of the monetary economy."

Personally, I see these alternative ideas to schooling as the true American Dream. Although this cliché I speak of is rooted in the raping and pillaging of the incredibly beautiful and diverse American Landscape, one can't help but identify with the phrase if raised American.

As I understand it, this dream that has come about from the American phenomenon over the past 200+ years, is defined as the dream of being completely free, which means being completely self-sufficient. Obviously, this dream has become somewhat impossible to achieve. We are put through institutions (public schools) which lead us into lives that illustrate our fealty to the System. Here is what Wikipedia says of the American Dream:

"American Dream can be defined as having the opportunity and freedom that allows all citizens to achieve their goals in life through hard work and determination alone. Today, it generally refers to the idea that one's prosperity depends upon one's own abilities and hard work, not on a rigid class structure, though the meaning of the phrase has changed over America's history. For some, it is the opportunity to achieve more prosperity than they could in their countries of origin; for others, it is the opportunity for their children to grow up with an education and career opportunities; for others, it is the opportunity to be an individual without the constraints imposed by class, caste, race, or ethnicity."

Unfortunately, class does exist in America, as it is unavoidable with a Capitalistic economy, which finds its way into our everyday lives in this country one way or another.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065010 - 02/24/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

High school doesn't end with graduation.  Life is high school.  It sucks but oh well.

I was neither of the groups you described.  I was friends with a lot of the popular kids because I was always nice and fun to party with, but I was always a little too "different" to be fully accepted.  My true friends were all stoners, but even they sometimes got on my nerves for being so fuckin stupid, except for a few of my best friends. 

High School basically taught me how fucking dependent and intertwined most people are with our social system.  They can't comprehend a world without a "path," without a predetermined, safe system that will guarantee them a life of quiet almost-happiness.

Plus I was an extremely vocal atheist and thus pissed off alot of kids in my conservative Christian home town.  Wouldn't have it any other way though. :lol:


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: g00ru]
    #8065022 - 02/24/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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guruu said:
High school doesn't end with graduation.  Life is high school.  It sucks but oh well.

I was neither of the groups you described.  I was friends with a lot of the popular kids because I was always nice and fun to party with, but I was always a little too "different" to be fully accepted.  My true friends were all stoners, but even they sometimes got on my nerves for being so fuckin stupid, except for a few of my best friends. 

High School basically taught me how fucking dependent and intertwined most people are with our social system.  They can't comprehend a world without a "path," without a predetermined, safe system that will guarantee them a life of quiet almost-happiness.

Plus I was an extremely vocal atheist and thus pissed off alot of kids in my conservative Christian home town.  Wouldn't have it any other way though. :lol:





You just described my high school life to a T!


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065025 - 02/24/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

People really like to bitch about society and working, but I bet you sure as hell enjoy the benefits.

High school was a joke. I learned far more on my own time than I ever did in class. I hardly agree that all students can be split into the two groups that you posted. I know I certainly wasn't an outcast. I wasn't the most popular kid in school, but I didn't particularly care to be. And while I did tease kids who deserved it at times, I wouldn't call it merciless.

I think one of the biggest lessons that high school (in part) helped me learn is that you've gotta put up with a lot of bullshit in life. I graduated, but never bothered to pick up my diploma. I'm in college now, and I find the university system to be MUCH better than high school. I actually learn things!

High school is not that big of a deal. It's something everybody goes through. And then you move on.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: circularvortex]
    #8065035 - 02/24/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Paul Simon's, "Kodachrome"

"When I look back on all the crap I learned in high school it's a wonder I can think at all."


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065036 - 02/24/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was part of that group too, actually. I identified with no particular group but intermingled with all of them. I wasn't prejudiced or biased towards a person because of what they wore - which is truly one of the main factors that divide kids in high school, which is ridiculous. Near the end of high school I became more and more introverted though as my friends faded away. Then I just left. Got my GED and scored high as a mother fucker on it because standardized tests are so ridiculously easy.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: circularvortex]
    #8065038 - 02/24/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I think one of the biggest lessons that high school (in part) helped me learn is that you've gotta put up with a lot of bullshit in life.




Hmmm....I guess that was your decision. Personally, I had fun questioning the teachers and embarrassing them on the subjects they were supposed to teach. Going high was fun too.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065044 - 02/24/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I was part of that group too, actually. I identified with no particular group but intermingled with all of them. I wasn't prejudiced or biased towards a person because of what they wore - which is truly one of the main factors that divide kids in high school, which is ridiculous. Near the end of high school I became more and more introverted though as my friends faded away. Then I just left. Got my GED and scored high as a mother fucker on it because standardized tests are so ridiculously easy.




OK I gotta stop myself from freaking out now cause thats EXACTLY what happened with me back in the day.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065053 - 02/24/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

High School was awful for me, I spent half of it in an "Alternative Learning Center" because I got caught selling drugs on campus.

The bus ride to this place took two hours and a cops had to chapperone me to the pisser. Three kids got stabbed when I was there, bomb threats all the time, big hulking black kids trying to start fights with me because I liked to read.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: g00ru]
    #8065061 - 02/24/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, High School really pisses me off. I am still a senior. But I just had to get switched to an alternative school that is much easier. Basically, high school puts you in a system to be placed into the system after graduation. People who fail out have to go get a job and make it on their own determination (which is not a bad thing, just statistically lower results). It is really just a system that everyone basically is forced to partake in. There are few alternatives (home school. is the main one). But public schools only reward those who put effort into actually making good grades. It doesn't matter if you don't do any homework and ace every test, you will still most likely end up having a mediocre grade. High School is fun if you don't get caught with drugs on campus and then all hell breaks loose, the cops are all like "yes!, we on a new level now". High School has just fucked me over. I hate my school. Plus it is all rich kids basically, so the teachers and administrators have a reason to be extra hard on EVERYBODY. The classes are harder, the hmwk is excessive, cops are assholes. Man I really ranted, sorry bout that, but you get my idea of high school. O yea and social classes are just human nature i suppose.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: circularvortex]
    #8065104 - 02/24/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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People really like to bitch about society and working, but I bet you sure as hell enjoy the benefits.

High school was a joke. I learned far more on my own time than I ever did in class. I hardly agree that all students can be split into the two groups that you posted. I know I certainly wasn't an outcast. I wasn't the most popular kid in school, but I didn't particularly care to be. And while I did tease kids who deserved it at times, I wouldn't call it merciless.

I think one of the biggest lessons that high school (in part) helped me learn is that you've gotta put up with a lot of bullshit in life. I graduated, but never bothered to pick up my diploma. I'm in college now, and I find the university system to be MUCH better than high school. I actually learn things!

High school is not that big of a deal. It's something everybody goes through. And then you move on.




Don't downplay its importance. High School is a time shared by people during one of the most tumultuous transitional phases in life. It's when you first begin to discover what the real world is. And it is incredibly prophetic.

And when I say the "system" I'm not talking about civilization in general, I'm talking about that predetermined life path that all young men and women are expected to follow.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: Rainman420]
    #8065109 - 02/24/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Highschool is comparable to kindergarten. Clearly a fucking joke all around. The best thing I got out of it is starting to do drugs, and biology class. I feel that if i didn't smoke weed during my senior year, i would have flipped out and did something i would regret later.

Now, less then 3 years later, its a distant memory of how shitty our k-12 educational system is.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: Rainman420]
    #8065127 - 02/24/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, High School really pisses me off. I am still a senior. But I just had to get switched to an alternative school that is much easier. Basically, high school puts you in a system to be placed into the system after graduation. People who fail out have to go get a job and make it on their own determination (which is not a bad thing, just statistically lower results). It is really just a system that everyone basically is forced to partake in. There are few alternatives (home school. is the main one). But public schools only reward those who put effort into actually making good grades. It doesn't matter if you don't do any homework and ace every test, you will still most likely end up having a mediocre grade. High School is fun if you don't get caught with drugs on campus and then all hell breaks loose, the cops are all like "yes!, we on a new level now". High School has just fucked me over. I hate my school. Plus it is all rich kids basically, so the teachers and administrators have a reason to be extra hard on EVERYBODY. The classes are harder, the hmwk is excessive, cops are assholes. Man I really ranted, sorry bout that, but you get my idea of high school.




God damn man, not doing homework and acing every test was my thing in high school. My teachers would constantly be encouraging me to do my homework because it was the only reason my grades were so crappy. But man, I had more important things [to me] to do when I got home after school, like smoke weed and walk around. I didn't want school to fucking leak into my life at home more than it already did with projects and whatnot. I spent 7 hours a day there 5 days a week, I think that's more than enough. As time went on I cared less and less and stopped even doing classwork.. that was shortly before I dropped out. Shit just got to me more and more, I was going to snap if I didn't get out.

After being out of school, my outlook on life and my general mood got so much better. Such a weight off my shoulders.

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O yea and social classes are just human nature i suppose.




Well, rank does naturally occur in groups of people, but this isn't like social class. Social class in America is based on your income, which is totally fucked up. It's not based on any kind of real merit, like wisdom or skill.

Just money.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: The_Ghost]
    #8065144 - 02/24/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Admittingly the public school system has alot of problems. But what do you suggest instead, we never send our kids to school and let them grow up being complete idiots? Quit bitching about our systems unless you either have a fix for them or are working to fix them.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: circularvortex]
    #8065158 - 02/24/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I think one of the biggest lessons that high school (in part) helped me learn is that you've gotta put up with a lot of bullshit in life.



Exactly. I've never been good at putting up with other people's bullshit, especially if they are arbitrarily "in charge". I technically never graduated, mostly due to a bad recommendation from my grade 12 math teacher (despite being in all advanced placement classes and scoring 99% on two of my four finals).

It ruined my chances to go to university (although of course I could retake that one class if I really wanted to) but I'm actually kind of glad I didn't end up following that path, as much as I think I would enjoy university. I'm starting my own business right now and I'm happy. So by my definition, I'm one of the most successful people in my graduating class. :lol:

I'm also lucky because I don't think high school screwed me up as much as it did a lot of people. I might be better off now had I swallowed their bullshit a bit more politely, but my own regret is not dropping out early so I could have gotten to where I am now a bit earlier.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: Frost000]
    #8065165 - 02/24/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I like the idea of a free school, someone mentioned it earlier. I think the idea of taking away all of our rights at school is ridiculous. The cops can search your car anytime on school grounds. It is not a "free" environment, which is the principal on which America was founded.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: Rainman420]
    #8065176 - 02/24/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, free schools are a great idea. I think a lot of kids would respond really well to that.

I always thought it was really fucked up that you had to ask permission to go to the bathroom or get a drink, and that they could arbitrarily search anyone and any time.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065206 - 02/24/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do you honestly think they made high school so we would become more subordinate? No one said you had to go to college, and no one said you had to do well in high school (except parents mostly).

Sure, it's shitty, and it sucks, but I don't believe it's in place so people will become subordinate.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065210 - 02/24/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

High school is less about learning subjects ans more about learning discipline. I thought high school sucked, just like everyone else, but I still feel it imparted some important knowledge on me.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: Rainman420]
    #8065214 - 02/24/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I like the idea of a free school, someone mentioned it earlier. I think the idea of taking away all of our rights at school is ridiculous. The cops can search your car anytime on school grounds. It is not a "free" environment, which is the principal on which America was founded.




America may have tried to found itself on the notion of freedom, but look what we did when we came here. We slaughtered indians mercilessly.

And isn't high school already free?


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065216 - 02/24/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I was part of that group too, actually. I identified with no particular group but intermingled with all of them. I wasn't prejudiced or biased towards a person because of what they wore - which is truly one of the main factors that divide kids in high school, which is ridiculous. Near the end of high school I became more and more introverted though as my friends faded away. Then I just left. Got my GED and scored high as a mother fucker on it because standardized tests are so ridiculously easy.




So you said in your first post there were two, and only two, groups of people in high school, but now you're saying you weren't in one of those two groups? That doesn't even make sense.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: Drewwyann]
    #8065575 - 02/24/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

high school hyped by the one out of it

loathed by those in it(less of course you got a good routine goin in/out)

i was always playing catch up in school, head down during most of my lectures got to college had to step my game up, still get off pretty easy with the hw tho its the test based on em i worry bout

the people were pretty chill to for all the bullshit we had to go through, good times


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: jewunit]
    #8065625 - 02/24/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I neglected to mention the midway between the two extremes. Nothing is ever black and white.

This isn't about mundane inconsistencies in the things I say, man. It's a little more deep than that.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: Frost000]
    #8065642 - 02/24/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Admittingly the public school system has alot of problems. But what do you suggest instead, we never send our kids to school and let them grow up being complete idiots? Quit bitching about our systems unless you either have a fix for them or are working to fix them.




I said, in my original post, mind you:

"This is not to say that there are not good schools or teachers, because there are. This brings me to the conclusion of the problem that I have outlined."

The conclusion, or solution, I offered was Free Skools. Did you not read my post?

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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065668 - 02/24/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I pretty much disagree with what you said. I don't care how "deep" you were trying to be, I think you're pretty fuckin' wrong.


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    #8065681 - 02/24/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How could a school be free though?


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: Drewwyann]
    #8065687 - 02/24/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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How could a school be free though?




Nothing is free


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    #8065736 - 02/24/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i started getting high at age 15, started eating mushrooms at 16. then once i was fairly "aware" i looked around at the people i was surrounded by at school, and realized how fucking rediculous everyone was. people are so fucking stupid and egotistical. i dropped out junior year at age 17, and immediately got my GED.

dont regret a damn thing, except for not fucking around a lot more in class and pissing people/teachers off. my german class was the shit though, i do miss that. just cause of this complete moron who was in the class with us, he would do anything we told him to. our german teacher had an unhealthy obsession with yard gnomes. we told this loser to steal one of the teachers desk when no one was around. then later one of the other kids in class told on him, and he got caught with it. it was hilarious.

ive learned more OUTSIDE of school on my own, then i ever did in school. fuckin stupid homework and projects dont make you learn shit except hatred towards school administration.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8065757 - 02/24/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Admittingly the public school system has alot of problems. But what do you suggest instead, we never send our kids to school and let them grow up being complete idiots? Quit bitching about our systems unless you either have a fix for them or are working to fix them.




I said, in my original post, mind you:

"This is not to say that there are not good schools or teachers, because there are. This brings me to the conclusion of the problem that I have outlined."

The conclusion, or solution, I offered was Free Skools. Did you not read my post?

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If I ever had kids I would definitely not send them to a "Skool" that can't even spell School  :nonono:


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: circularvortex]
    #8066030 - 02/24/08 08:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The intentional difference in spelling is a figure of speech. For christ's sake. It's to illustrate the sheer difference between the two types of schools. Once again, mundane details.

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Well, I pretty much disagree with what you said. I don't care how "deep" you were trying to be, I think you're pretty fuckin' wrong.




I wasn't trying to be deep, let me just clear that up. I was saying the subject of public schooling is a deep one, with its social and psychological implications on individual consciousness. What exactly am I wrong about?? Are you trying to say the public school system is OK the way it is?! Because it surely is not!


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8066563 - 02/24/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, but I don't think your gripes are accurate. First off, people are going to form themselves into social groups no matter what. That has nothing to do with the schooling system and everything to do with the people. Secondly I think the two groups you illustrated are far from all-encompassing. Anyone who went to a high school that had a strong black, or any other minority, population understands that race also plays a huge role in the way people interact. In fact that was probably the biggest factor in my high school experience. Not the losers and the cool kids, but the white kids and the black kids.


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    #8066603 - 02/24/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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No, but I don't think your gripes are accurate. First off, people are going to form themselves into social groups no matter what. That has nothing to do with the schooling system and everything to do with the people. Secondly I think the two groups you illustrated are far from all-encompassing. Anyone who went to a high school that had a strong black, or any other minority, population understands that race also plays a huge role in the way people interact. In fact that was probably the biggest factor in my high school experience. Not the losers and the cool kids, but the white kids and the black kids.




Judging by your crotchety nature and racially charged education, I assume you went to school in the 40's and have either Alzheimers or recently awoke from cryo-sleep.

JFK's dead, the cold war is over, and you're not using a toaster. This is called an 'internet'.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: SicGeist]
    #8066609 - 02/24/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That's silly, they didn't mix blacks and whites in schools in the fourties.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: jewunit]
    #8066614 - 02/24/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

High School may be 'dumb' to some people and pointless but it's something you just have to do if you want to pursue college.  There are other alternatives and everyone is different which I understand but High School isn't bad, it's easy.  I sit in class, talk with friends, and get good grades.  I don't see how people get stressed out because as I'm not in the top classes (Pre-Calc, Chemistry) I am not in the dumb classes and attend sports.  It should be, in my opinion, 4 last years of being a kid and the best experience you can have (unless planning to attend college).  People do get picked on and the likes, but you cannot go out into the World by yourself and expect everyone to suck your nads and treat you like a five year old :wink:


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: circularvortex]
    #8066632 - 02/24/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That's silly, they didn't mix blacks and whites in schools in the fourties.




Fourties, sixties, whatever. There was a guy with a dream and shit. I'm sure he got the point.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: Drewwyann]
    #8066666 - 02/24/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i didnt like highschool but i did just enough to graduate. now im at a junior college and im loving it, in fact i quit working so i can have more time for schoolwork im taking 20 units right now. i get to pick my own classes where im really challenged and learn new things while actually learning things that i can use for a job (trying to get into hollywood down in la). highschool sucked i felt so ignored, alone, and alienated that i was actually going through panic attacks just sitting in class.
high school sucks and, everyones gotta go through it, but atleast know theres something better on the other side, wether its college or just plain working.


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    #8066694 - 02/24/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Highschool in and of itself was a pain.

But the people I knew through it are what made it worthwhile.

Plus, once you realized how much of a joke it is, it's a lot less stressful. Unfortunately, most of us don't figure that part out until after it's already done.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: SicGeist]
    #8066716 - 02/24/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

*Agrees with SicGeist*


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: SicGeist]
    #8066778 - 02/24/08 10:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Where did I say anything about being a racist? You go to my school and tell me race doesn't play a huge roll in social groups. To deny the fact that skin color does, in fact, matter at this point in time is foolish.


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    #8066790 - 02/24/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't call you a racist?


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: jewunit]
    #8066793 - 02/24/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's always going to matter to those fools ignorant enough to segregate their fellow man in their mind and in life, and the reasons they do this is because of the ignorance passed down through generations. This ignorance has been perpetuated by the shittier than shitty schools these minorities must attend because of state and government negligence. This is an important aspect of the flaws of the government funded school system.

To those of a somewhat more open-minded way of thinking, skin color doesn't matter.


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    #8066796 - 02/24/08 10:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I guess not, I don't know why I said that.
What point, exactly, were you trying to make?


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    #8066822 - 02/24/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nevermind, man.

I agree the school system could be much better. The problem with changing it (and anything in society these days) is that if reform doesn't happen rapidly, people loose interest and grow apathetic. And with something like education, where it takes years to see tangible results... well, I doubt we've got the attention-span or moral coordination to handle it.


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    #8066831 - 02/24/08 10:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:rolleyes:
I'd seriously like an elaboration.


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    #8066869 - 02/24/08 11:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was insinuating that your uppity nature and your school's racial issues were likely due to you having attended school decades ago, making you bitter and senile. I realize that this is likely not the case, so don't bother correcting me.

It was a failed internet funny, and now everyone knows. Thanks.


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Re: The High School Complex [Re: manyc]
    #8067143 - 02/25/08 12:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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This applies to everyone who has attended public schools.

There are many things that come to mind when one thinks of the word "high school," which vary from person to person. Everyone's experience of high school was different. For some people, it conjures up things such as hating the experience, being an outcast, and random boners when the class is going up to the board in turns and you're next. Yet for some, it incites the memories of being popular, having a good time, and hating on the former group of people described mercilessly in the twisted and cruel social hierarchy of school. Though all students can be split into these two groups, they all have one thing in common. This commonality is the fact that we are all victims of the true intention of the public school system, and its impact on the rest of our lives. Its role is to subordinate us, to keep us children as long as possible; and turn us into viable candidates for employees, whose only purpose in life to the government is to help feed its economy.

Going through school, knowing that its main function in society has become not to educate, but to subordinate, really makes one hate even attending. I love to learn, but the environment that public schools provide is so counteractive to a positive and healthy learning experience that I loathed every moment I was there. This exacerbated my already existing anxiety in social situations. There are so very many factors that contribute to this corruption of the school system, ranging from teachers that have ulterior motives in what they want to teach to the fact that less money is spent on Education than War, which leads us to the root of all the problems: the System itself. Trying to find ways to fix the problems it created in the first place, which just creates more problems in the process.

This is not to say that there are not good schools or teachers, because there are. This brings me to the conclusion of the problem that I have outlined.

There are "Free Skools" are out there, which exist void of the hierarchies of other schools and offer a wide range of classes and workshops. From Wikipedia:

"Free Skool Santa Cruz in California is perhaps typical of a new batch of free schools that are explicitly rooted in an anarchist tradition of collectivism, autonomy, and self-reliance, and feature informal, non-authoritarian learning outside of the monetary economy."

Personally, I see these alternative ideas to schooling as the true American Dream. Although this cliché I speak of is rooted in the raping and pillaging of the incredibly beautiful and diverse American Landscape, one can't help but identify with the phrase if raised American.

As I understand it, this dream that has come about from the American phenomenon over the past 200+ years, is defined as the dream of being completely free, which means being completely self-sufficient. Obviously, this dream has become somewhat impossible to achieve. We are put through institutions (public schools) which lead us into lives that illustrate our fealty to the System. Here is what Wikipedia says of the American Dream:

"American Dream can be defined as having the opportunity and freedom that allows all citizens to achieve their goals in life through hard work and determination alone. Today, it generally refers to the idea that one's prosperity depends upon one's own abilities and hard work, not on a rigid class structure, though the meaning of the phrase has changed over America's history. For some, it is the opportunity to achieve more prosperity than they could in their countries of origin; for others, it is the opportunity for their children to grow up with an education and career opportunities; for others, it is the opportunity to be an individual without the constraints imposed by class, caste, race, or ethnicity."

Unfortunately, class does exist in America, as it is unavoidable with a Capitalistic economy, which finds its way into our everyday lives in this country one way or another.




Off topic but -- You have a way with words man :smile:

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Re: The High School Complex [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8067192 - 02/25/08 12:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i started getting high at age 15, started eating mushrooms at 16. then once i was fairly "aware" i looked around at the people i was surrounded by at school, and realized how fucking rediculous everyone was. people are so fucking stupid and egotistical. i dropped out junior year at age 17, and immediately got my GED.

dont regret a damn thing, except for not fucking around a lot more in class and pissing people/teachers off. my german class was the shit though, i do miss that. just cause of this complete moron who was in the class with us, he would do anything we told him to. our german teacher had an unhealthy obsession with yard gnomes. we told this loser to steal one of the teachers desk when no one was around. then later one of the other kids in class told on him, and he got caught with it. it was hilarious.




That is e-fucking-xactly my high school story... besides the gnomes.


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