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InvisibleIcelander
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Politics and humanity.
    #8063968 - 02/24/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think politics is a good way to get a look at humanity and where they are at. (along with religion). I myself listen to politicians and all I can hear are convenient, poorly told lies, told to people who themselves must be lying to themselves about just about everything is going on in their world. The blatant posturing of our politicians of both parties is so fucking embarrassing that I can't imagine what state of mind I would have to get into to believe anything they are saying. The human race proves themselves to be fools with each vote. To enter into the political forum is so swallow the blue pill and pray you will never have to think for yourself.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: Icelander]
    #8063979 - 02/24/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree.

"Do you want the puppet on the left, or the puppet on the right?" --Waking Life


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #8064026 - 02/24/08 11:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

vigilant_mind said:

"Do you want the puppet on the left, or the puppet on the right?" --Waking Life




The dude who said that on waking life - Alex Jones - is a big supporter of Ron Paul for this election. I wonder why?


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8064059 - 02/24/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I find the occult interests of some of these leaders to be very peculiar.

Alex Jones is in over his head, imo.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8064060 - 02/24/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

bradmassive said:
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vigilant_mind said:

"Do you want the puppet on the left, or the puppet on the right?" --Waking Life




The dude who said that on waking life - Alex Jones - is a big supporter of Ron Paul for this election. I wonder why?




Most likely for the reasons put forth in my original post. Just because someone is very liberal or new agey, many people assume they are rational and know more about truth. Usually that is very incorrect.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: Icelander]
    #8064102 - 02/24/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Quote:

bradmassive said:
Quote:

vigilant_mind said:

"Do you want the puppet on the left, or the puppet on the right?" --Waking Life




The dude who said that on waking life - Alex Jones - is a big supporter of Ron Paul for this election. I wonder why?




Most likely for the reasons put forth in my original post. Just because someone is very liberal or new agey, many people assume they are rational and know more about truth. Usually that is very incorrect.




Ron Paul talks about freedom and liberty with forgein and economic policies that are right for this country.

He's not new agey or liberal.

He's the most smart candidate I ever came accross and he makes all the others look stupid in debates.

I urge you to check his website out and some of his youtube videos.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8064127 - 02/24/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Gee thanks, I surely believe what he says. :monkeydance:


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: Icelander]
    #8064147 - 02/24/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Gee thanks, I surely believe what he says. :monkeydance:




Who asked you to belive what he says? Judge for your own and make your own mind on what he says.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8064261 - 02/24/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I already stated I don't believe him.:tongue:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8064274 - 02/24/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I believe that his idea of reinstating the Gold standard is 100% impossible, considering there's not enough gold in the world to back all the money in rotation. Who is going to be willing to give up their big number for a small one?

I believe that his 700 miles of fence along the US/Mexico border aren't doing to do a damn thing to stop the illegal immigration that he is so strongly opposed to.

I also believe that his stance on abortion is biased by his former profession and that allowing individual states to determine whether or not abortion should be legal is not exactly an ideal solution to what some people view as "the abortion problem".

I also believe that most Americans haven't even heard of the man, and even with his huge internet backing he can't get more than 20% of a voting block. There is no way he can win, because of the combined forces of stupid clueless Americans and the people who control the 'media'.

Its very admirable of you to back a candidate that shares so many of your views, but let's be realistic. Is he really going to win? No. If he were to win, would any of these things actually occur? Probably not. Same goes for all the other candidates.

Empty promises, all around.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: Icelander]
    #8064429 - 02/24/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck Ron Paul.

I agree fully with the OP.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: adrug]
    #8064476 - 02/24/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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adrug said:
I believe that his idea of reinstating the Gold standard is 100% impossible, considering there's not enough gold in the world to back all the money in rotation. Who is going to be willing to give up their big number for a small one?

I believe that his 700 miles of fence along the US/Mexico border aren't doing to do a damn thing to stop the illegal immigration that he is so strongly opposed to.

I also believe that his stance on abortion is biased by his former profession and that allowing individual states to determine whether or not abortion should be legal is not exactly an ideal solution to what some people view as "the abortion problem".

I also believe that most Americans haven't even heard of the man, and even with his huge internet backing he can't get more than 20% of a voting block. There is no way he can win, because of the combined forces of stupid clueless Americans and the people who control the 'media'.

Its very admirable of you to back a candidate that shares so many of your views, but let's be realistic. Is he really going to win? No. If he were to win, would any of these things actually occur? Probably not. Same goes for all the other candidates.

Empty promises, all around.




It's starting already.:monkeydance::lol:


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: Icelander]
    #8064481 - 02/24/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Forgive me, I've been reading the political forum today! :smirk:


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8064482 - 02/24/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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NiamhNyx said:
Fuck Ron Paul.

I agree fully with the OP.




Wow! I'm somewhat surprised.:whoa:


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: Icelander]
    #8064540 - 02/24/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It wasn't Alex Jones who said that in Waking Life, it was this guy:



he has an interesting little speech on "self destructive man"

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A self-destructive man feels completely alienated, utterly alone. He's an outsider to the human community. He thinks to himself, "I must be insane." What he fails to realize is that society has, just as he does, a vested interest in considerable losses and catastrophes. These wars, famines, floods and quakes meet well-defined needs. Man wants chaos. In fact, he's gotta have it. Depression, strife, riots, murder, all this dread. We're irresistibly drawn to that almost orgiastic state created out of death and destruction. It's in all of us. We revel in it. Sure, the media tries to put a sad face on these things, painting them up as great human tragedies. But we all know the function of the media has never been to eliminate the evils of the world, no. Their job is to persuade us to accept those evils and get used to living with them. The powers that be want us to be passive observers. Hey, you got a match? And they haven't given us any other options outside the occasional, purely symbolic, participatory act of voting. You want the puppet on the right or the puppet on the left? I feel that the time has come to project my own inadequacies and dissatisfactions into the sociopolitical and scientific schemes, let my own lack of a voice be heard.

(He pours gasoline all over himself and lights himself on fire.)




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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8064551 - 02/24/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

And he lifted that from Bill Hicks.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8064553 - 02/24/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Mankind is self-destructive obviously much of the time. The will to die is balanced by the will to survive.

I think we are pretty nutty and mostly fear driven.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: adrug]
    #8064622 - 02/24/08 01:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

adrug said:
I believe that his idea of reinstating the Gold standard is 100% impossible, considering there's not enough gold in the world to back all the money in rotation. Who is going to be willing to give up their big number for a small one?

I believe that his 700 miles of fence along the US/Mexico border aren't doing to do a damn thing to stop the illegal immigration that he is so strongly opposed to.

I also believe that his stance on abortion is biased by his former profession and that allowing individual states to determine whether or not abortion should be legal is not exactly an ideal solution to what some people view as "the abortion problem".

I also believe that most Americans haven't even heard of the man, and even with his huge internet backing he can't get more than 20% of a voting block. There is no way he can win, because of the combined forces of stupid clueless Americans and the people who control the 'media'.

Its very admirable of you to back a candidate that shares so many of your views, but let's be realistic. Is he really going to win? No. If he were to win, would any of these things actually occur? Probably not. Same goes for all the other candidates.

Empty promises, all around.




Unfortunately you're pretty misguided about Ron Paul's stance on the issues. First and formost, he stands for the constitution and that is where he gets his guidance. If some part of it doesn't fit with the situation we find ourselves in today, we CHANGE it not IGNORE it.

Overall, Ron Paul is a very principled man and has proven that he votes his conscious. How do we know hes not lying to get our votes?

-he is known as dr. No in congress because he has NEVER voted for anything that isn't expressly authorized by the constitution.
-Seriously, look at his record. Its clear and plain, the man doesn't contradict himself.
-he is the ONLY candidate who doesn't receive campaign funds from corporations.
-he is the ONLY candidate who isn't a former member of the CFR.

So please....do your research

2nd:

He would like to go back to the gold standard but realizes it can't all happen at once. Thats why he supports legalizing competing currencies first. He realizes a transition period is necessary!

I don't know where you got the fence idea because that isn't the way he proposes to secure the border. He wants to use the troops which are brought home from over seas to hold the border. Better them helping us here than protecting borders overseas in other countries.

You must realize that there is no SOLUTION to the abortion problem. Some people want it one way, others another but at least the states are able to decide for themselves and the whole nation doesn't have to abide one decision which will obviously upset many people.

3rd:

So now you've retired to the old "he can never win." With people so uneducated about the issues such as yourself, youre probably right.

Why am I so heated? We just let our best chance for president in decades go to waste. I don't even want to think about who will take his place.


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: AndhesEcuador]
    #8065238 - 02/24/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It really doesn't matter how good of a chance you think he was. There's no way America would elect him. No WAY. America is too stupid (sorry America, but its true) to elect someone based on their positions and principles. Its all about popularity. Once you realize that, then you realize that even engaging in a political discussions trying to convince people to vote for Ron Paul is  completely pointless.

Forgive me though, I'm still a little bitter over the last few elections I voted in. :tongue:


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Re: Politics and humanity. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8065266 - 02/24/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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NiamhNyx said:
Fuck Ron Paul.

I agree fully with the OP.




Thank you for your eloquent, well thought out post. :smirk:


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