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Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected
    #8063848 - 02/24/08 10:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/24/nader.politics/index.html?eref=rss_topstories



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Long-shot GOP contender Mike Huckabee said Nader's entry would probably help his party.




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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8063870 - 02/24/08 10:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

His 2% only helps if the race is going to be very close. I'd happen to think there isn't that slim of a margin in the race to hurt Obama over lobbyist McCain.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8063893 - 02/24/08 10:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Somehow I doubt that the people who voted for him in 2000 are going to vote for him again. I know I'm not.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: adrug]
    #8063909 - 02/24/08 10:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's nice to see that someone learned that lesson, even it wasn't good ol' Ralph.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8063911 - 02/24/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: adrug]
    #8063925 - 02/24/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #8063931 - 02/24/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Because we all must be settling, huh?


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #8063969 - 02/24/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:
exploitation of foreign workers




exploitation of foreign workers? would these be US citizens
working abroad or foreign nationals working domestically?

I personally support foreigners being paid nothing to work
in the US as I see thousands of US workers trying to compete
in a job market saturated with illegal aliens claiming they
just want to make a better life for themselves... at the
cost of the lively hood of many millions that are citizens


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #8063992 - 02/24/08 11:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Somehow I doubt that the people who voted for him in 2000 are going to vote for him again. I know I'm not.




"Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia




Don't worry, I won't be choosing anyone this election year. Not for president anyway.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: adrug]
    #8064053 - 02/24/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you can always have a write-in candidate, I reccomend Eugene V. Debs, he managed 900k votes from a prison cell


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8064190 - 02/24/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That's funny.

One of the Aldermen here in Milwaukee has been in prison for the last several years, and has been re-elected from his jail cell.

His constituents really love it.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: adrug]
    #8064223 - 02/24/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Somehow I doubt that the people who voted for him in 2000 are going to vote for him again. I know I'm not.




I tend to agree with this statement. I was hoping he would have the sense not to run this time around however.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Ferris]
    #8064232 - 02/24/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sense? It's Ralph Nader.

Good sense is no match for his ego, which has go to be as big as Texas by now and shows no signs of diminishing in size at any point in the near future.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8064267 - 02/24/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

He used to justify it by saying he helped drive the Dems to the left. Unfortunately for him and the Dems the only candidates remaining have already driven off the cliff.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8064280 - 02/24/08 12:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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He used to justify it by saying he helped drive the Dems to the left. Unfortunately for him and the Dems the only candidates remaining have already driven off the cliff.




That's a good justification imo. I wish liberals could have the same hold on the Dems as religious extremists have on the GOP.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8064374 - 02/24/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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One of the Aldermen here in Milwaukee has been in prison for the last several years, and has been re-elected from his jail cell.





John Ashcroft lost a senate seat to a dead guy


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8064915 - 02/24/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It could certainly be argued the electorate was well aware of the candidate being dead. His widow was promised the appointment if the dead guy won, so I think its safe to say he lost to the dead guy's wife in actuality


Still funny

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The incumbent Ashcroft was left running against a dead man after his opponent, the popular sitting governor, died in a plane crash on October 16. By that time, it was too late to remove Carnahan's name from the ballot.

No one had ever posthumously won election to the Senate, though voters on at least three occasions chose deceased candidates for the House.

Lt. Gov. Roger Wilson moved up to succeed Carnahan. Wilson said he would appoint Carnahan's widow, Jean, to the Senate seat should the deceased husband get more votes than Ashcroft.


http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/07/senate.missouri/


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8065292 - 02/24/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected

Somebody should pop into OTD and tell the menagerie Bush isn't running.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8065333 - 02/24/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm waiting for mabus to appear and spout the virtues of ralph nader


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8067850 - 02/25/08 08:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well considering we've been 20 years under Reagan,
I think 'another 4 years of Bush'
is someone being funny.

Don't take everything so literally...and you'll laugh more / live longer.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8067970 - 02/25/08 09:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney confirm

'A Debate That Matters'

SAN FRANCISCO - Progressives will hold their own Presidential debate here Sunday when former presidential candidate Ralph Nader, Democrat-turned-Green Rep. Cynthia McKinney and others on the Green Party Presidential ballot Feb. 5 will participate in what is being billed as "A Presidential Debate That Matters."


Cindy Sheehan will moderate...


http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=15


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8068505 - 02/25/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Cindy Sheehan will moderate...




Wow, great PR there.


If you want people to take you seriously, don't get one of the most maligned woman in the country to moderate your debate.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: johnm214]
    #8068535 - 02/25/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

right:)

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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8068625 - 02/25/08 01:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Blaming Nader is the most retarded thing ever.

Like I said.. I could never vote democrat. I sway towards being a republican more and would have either written in Ron Paul or flat out voted for McCain... one of the two.

And here I am... actually thinking about voting for Nader. So there... one less REPUBLICAN vote because of Nader.

The democrats who vote for Nader are going to vote for him because they think Obama and Hilary are typical politicians pieces of shit which they are. Obama's got a likable persona but he's just another Democrat stooge. Whether or not you like Nader, the man's a rock... He and his supporters have a passion for change, a kind of change they think will never happen with a republican or democrat.

Blaming Nader for the country's woes is just plain FACISM, and a slap in the face to democracy. Blaming Nader is a COP OUT way of just saying that we need to stay in a two party system and that people should vote for statistics and games and all the bullshit that's bringing this country down... and it's telling people that they shouldn't vote for who they think is the best man and with their heart but that they should comprimise their beliefs and vote for the lesser of two evils.

..and it's also just the democrats way of pointing their fingers at other people when they should be blaming themselves for having such a bunch of useless, whiney, hypocrates representing their party that don't do jack shit for America.

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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #8068638 - 02/25/08 01:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Somehow I doubt that the people who voted for him in 2000 are going to vote for him again. I know I'm not.




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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: BrAiN]
    #8068657 - 02/25/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree pretty much...

I find myself leaning more and more libertarian, however; I value personal liberty much more than economic liberty.

In that vein, I'd prefer higher taxes and restraint on buisness a'la Nader than higher penalties and restrictions on personal liberties a'la Republican.


I don't care for alot of Nader's ideals for buisness regulation, however; I'd much rather have a country where everyone has equal access to the government benefits, freedom to not be imprisoned for drugs or other insults to personal liberty, and have meaningful access to legal remedies via civil suit.

Its just a shame that the Republicans have decided to align themselves with bullshit positions like gay marriage bans and federal regulation of medicine and drugs.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8070761 - 02/25/08 11:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

George W. Bush 2008!


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: chunder]
    #8071245 - 02/26/08 02:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It sucks that someone making progress for something beyond the two-party system would get directly criticized for leading to a Bush presidency, but I think that he's pissed off Democrats to the point that he'll get a lot less support than he did in 2000.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8071572 - 02/26/08 08:24 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It depends on whether or not the facist democrats fight as hard as Kerry did to keep him off the ballots.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8071659 - 02/26/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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It sucks that someone making progress for something beyond the two-party system would get directly criticized for leading to a Bush presidency, but I think that he's pissed off Democrats to the point that he'll get a lot less support than he did in 2000.




:yesnod:

He got far less support (like 80% less) in 2004 than 2000. 

I appreciate that he wants to make a difference, but why does he think running for president is a good way to do that?


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8071698 - 02/26/08 09:16 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I appreciate that he wants to make a difference, but why does he think running for president is a good way to do that?





You're right.. why on earth would anyone who knows they're a long shot (Ron Paul, Denis K) ever try to run for president. I mean.. why would they even bother and just not give up and go crawl under a rock and not try to fight a bunch of douchebags head-on?


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: BrAiN]
    #8071772 - 02/26/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)




Corporations apply directly to the forehead.
Corporations apply directly to the forehead.
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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: BrAiN]
    #8071844 - 02/26/08 10:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So, not running for president = resignation to the status quo? By that logic only about a dozen people in the US really wanted to make a difference this year. Nader has always been outspoken about his philosophies; are repeated presidential bids the best way to drum up support for them? Is seeking the presidency always the most effective way to inspire ideological changes in a nation?

I think most people see Nader's campaigns as a little bonus for the right wing, nothing more. I think his presidential bids have only been effective in undermining support for his causes. Four out of five people who spent their vote on him in 2000 decided not to do it again in 2004. I'm guessing they realized that there is a distinct danger in supporting a hopeless presidential bid. They finally learned that voting Nader does not help the causes of environmentalism or civil liberty.

Well, most of them did.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8071986 - 02/26/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So if someone wants to be president and they don't think they can do it they should just QUIT? That's the message we should send out? That's what we should teach our kids?

"Little Billy.. you can be anything you want to be. You want to be president? You can be president! .. Uhh.. unless you're a third party running who's ideas overlap slightly with another party and then you CANT be president because you'll just be seen as some loser spoiler due to some lame statistics.. buy anything else Bily.. a fireman.. a detectic.. a ninja turtle.. you can be ANYTHING because this is AMERICA"


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: BrAiN]
    #8072117 - 02/26/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I am talking about Ralph Nader's situation. And yes he should quit. His running for president no longer helps his causes. Why does everyone assume the president is the only one who can change prevailing political attitudes?


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: BrAiN]
    #8072120 - 02/26/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Nader has strapped a bomb on his chest and is walking towards the Democratic Headquarters as we speak...

I think retarded kids should definitely be discouraged from thinking they'll be president.
Have you ever seen a high school kid who is "developmentally challenged" saying he's going to be President.
It's sad.
And his mom wants the city to pay for his college...WTF?


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8072139 - 02/26/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I am talking about Ralph Nader's situation. And yes he should quit. His running for president no longer helps his causes. Why does everyone assume the president is the only one who can change prevailing political attitudes?




Then why run for president at all? By that logic anyone who thinks that don't have the best chance should just quit and leave it to the "big dogs".


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: BrAiN]
    #8072236 - 02/26/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Then why run for president at all?




That is a good question. I really wonder what the candidates' actual personal reasons are for deciding to run for president.

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By that logic anyone who thinks that don't have the best chance should just quit and leave it to the "big dogs".




Once again, I am not talking about underdogs in general, I am talking about Ralph Nader. Do you understand what I mean when I say that the oval office is not the only position from which to effect change? Perhaps the strategy of running for president is not helpful to his cause, that's what I'm saying.

Unshakable determination is a nice, romantic concept, but it is ineffective with a faulty strategy. For any 'green' candidate to actually be elected president, we will first have to see a widespread ideological transformation away from consumerism, away from religious dogma, away from encouraging financial prosperity at all costs. I don't think the US is anywhere close to that, and I don't think Nader's presidential bids are bringing it closer.


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8291602 - 04/16/08 01:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I love this man, he has done so much for the people, way more than most people relies. Obamas OK in my mind, Ron Paul is even better, But in 08 its Nader or nobody


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Re: Ralph Nader to ensure Bush is reelected [Re: AhronZombi]
    #8291874 - 04/16/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Welcome back you fucking lunatic.


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