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OfflineDjango12
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Honey LC sediment. Too much honey?
    #8063685 - 02/24/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Greetings! I'll start out by saying I've done searches and couldn't find anything that suits my exact needs. Here are the stats of my friends LC:

Honey/water LC.

600ml water to 24cc honey (4% solution).

He used Tupelo Honey from a local apiary (thought it would be better, but maybe not..It was a little lighter).

He has a filter lid, good FAE, incubation at 81-84 at any given time.

Perfect conditions, sterile everything.

Absolutely no noticeable growth in 4 days.

Unfortunately he doesn't own a digital camera so he can't upload any pictures. There is a ton of honey sediment/sugar sitting on the bottom before he stirs it up once a day. Probably a good centimeter or two layer of it. His theory was that the local honey contained too much sugar/nutrients for the volume used. Is this possible? Is he screwed? Thanks.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? *DELETED* [Re: Django12]
    #8063744 - 02/24/08 09:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OfflineDjango12
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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: blz3432]
    #8063757 - 02/24/08 09:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

He PCed for 22 minutes. I think he only started worrying because honey is supposed to be faster than karo and his karo LC is currently beating honey by far.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: Django12]
    #8063783 - 02/24/08 10:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

mix honey with cold water and filter with coffee filters then pc for 10min
i like Karo more than Honey because its clear and has no sediments.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: CrazyEarl]
    #8064169 - 02/24/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i am wondering why you people are still using honey when there is a bunch of easily obtainable stuff that works 1000x better?


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: tahoe]
    #8065446 - 02/24/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup: Honey is the shit :wink:
Nothing wrong with not being a follower!

p.s. 24 CC is WAYYY to much honey lol.

I recently did a quart jar (about 500cc) and added a teaspoon of honey and it worked well. 24 CC is crazy a lot lol. but if it works, keep doing it lol.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #8065533 - 02/24/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I read a tek a while back that only said 4% honey. and it was a microwave tek with tuppaware. thats what i've been trying. first one i fucked up and i know i used at least 1000 times too much honey. this time its pretty much clear. just barely slightly yellowish. mostly clear though. one of them is kind of cloudy after 2 days but no obvious mycelium. also no honey sediments. i'm praying its myc. i'l post pics once i know a little more for sure and ask opinions.

lc's are simple enough to read and understand but i continue to fuck them up! part of that may be i have no scale.

judging by an estimate of how many cc's i used i'd say one cc. in a tuppaware container that can't be any more than a pint. how's that sound?

i tried cloning and know i did them badly but may still work. tried creamcorn's lc tek but couldnt get any stem tissue to stick in the needle. ended up demolishing the stem with the needle trying to get some tissue into the lc. succeeded but probably not an over all success. well see.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: ismokeweed]
    #8065560 - 02/24/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I use a baby bottle to measure my water and a syringe to measure honey. the measurements on both are clearly marked. Good luck


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: Frost000]
    #8065592 - 02/24/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

alrighty. frost000 if you don't mind me asking and probably making a fool of myself, how much water in the baby bottle and how muchhoney in the syringe do you use? I can probably search and find but as long as youre reading this i'm sure you can answer faster. please don't verbally beat my ass for not using the search! I just figured youre already here and obviously know what you're doing.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: ismokeweed]
    #8065606 - 02/24/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

depending upon the size of your jar you're using, 100cc's water 4 cc's honey.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: Frost000]
    #8065629 - 02/24/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Tahoe what works 1000x better im all ears. Im a lc freak. oyea yeaaa


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: joshua m]
    #8065685 - 02/24/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Frost000

I feel like a fuckin idiot. if its 4 percent honey of course 100 cc's water 4 cc's honey. actually it would be 96 water. but i've only read of/done myself too much honey. so 100 won't be too much (not a lot of a difference but i reckon more water is better than more honey. from experience)


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: CrazyEarl]
    #12235588 - 03/20/10 06:19 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

CrazyEarl said:
mix honey with cold water and filter with coffee filters then pc for 10min
i like Karo more than Honey because its clear and has no sediments.



proven fact by me or someone else. the kara takes longer than than honey.. the lighter the honey the better. and temp dont mean nothing during lc jars. u can store em at any temp between 68-82 also ive never ever filtered my LC WATER threw a coffe filter because i use DISTILLED WATER everytime i make LC.no sediments no nothing and its clearer to look threw.. if u use tap water the water will turn clearer as the mycelium grows other than that the water is usually darker and tainty.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: santaclausmush]
    #12235601 - 03/20/10 06:28 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

250ml of regular spring bottled water and 2 tsp honey, is the rule of thumb in my kitchen. and Karo sucks balls, honey is way better.

a self healing(RTV sealant)/waterproof(tyvek for FAE hole) lid is the best idea for this, cuz u can shake it and flip it upside down with no worries. i absolutely think they are the best addition to any mycology setup. it only takes about 35 dollars to make 2 dozen of them. and u will be left over with lots of tyvek and mabe some silicone... i use a nail to spread the silicone. and an AO-Safetey tyvek suit, they had them at the local hardware store here. u can even cut the legs off and make it into a suit with shorts lol, that's what i did. wear it when doing work, u can wipe the sleeves down with a damp cloth soaked in vinnegar before stickin your arms in a glovebox because the suit is waterproof.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: smurphy5000]
    #12235624 - 03/20/10 06:39 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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smurphy5000 said:
250ml of regular spring bottled water and 2 tsp honey, is the rule of thumb in my kitchen. and Karo sucks balls, honey is way better.

a self healing(RTV sealant)/waterproof(tyvek for FAE hole) lid is the best idea for this, cuz u can shake it and flip it upside down with no worries. i absolutely think they are the best addition to any mycology setup. it only takes about 35 dollars to make 2 dozen of them. and u will be left over with lots of tyvek and mabe some silicone... i use a nail to spread the silicone. and an AO-Safetey tyvek suit, they had them at the local hardware store here. u can even cut the legs off and make it into a suit with shorts lol, that's what i did. wear it when doing work, u can wipe the sleeves down with a damp cloth soaked in vinnegar before stickin your arms in a glovebox because the suit is waterproof.


hes got game... hes into mycology


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: santaclausmush]
    #12236372 - 03/20/10 11:06 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

smurphy5000 said:
250ml of regular spring bottled water and 2 tsp honey, is the rule of thumb in my kitchen. and Karo sucks balls, honey is way better.

a self healing(RTV sealant)/waterproof(tyvek for FAE hole) lid is the best idea for this, cuz u can shake it and flip it upside down with no worries. i absolutely think they are the best addition to any mycology setup. it only takes about 35 dollars to make 2 dozen of them. and u will be left over with lots of tyvek and mabe some silicone... i use a nail to spread the silicone. and an AO-Safetey tyvek suit, they had them at the local hardware store here. u can even cut the legs off and make it into a suit with shorts lol, that's what i did. wear it when doing work, u can wipe the sleeves down with a damp cloth soaked in vinnegar before stickin your arms in a glovebox because the suit is waterproof.



If you let the LC touch the tyvek for very long, it will get it wet and allow contams to go right through it. Also, you should try turbonado sugar, it works much better than honey.


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: TheAnimate]
    #12236438 - 03/20/10 11:23 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

i use micro spore tape on the top of my lc jars and when i swirl it around i make sure it doesnt touch the top or the tape. i have a syringe with a long needle now and it works good. dont even tip the jar that much sideways. when u do LC also make sure u dont go over half way of the jar. gives u more to work with when u swirl it around..and what is turbonado sugars and where do i get em i live in nh..


Edited by santaclausmush (03/20/10 11:24 AM)


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: TheAnimate]
    #12236439 - 03/20/10 11:24 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

smurphy5000 said:
250ml of regular spring bottled water and 2 tsp honey, is the rule of thumb in my kitchen. and Karo sucks balls, honey is way better.

a self healing(RTV sealant)/waterproof(tyvek for FAE hole) lid is the best idea for this, cuz u can shake it and flip it upside down with no worries. i absolutely think they are the best addition to any mycology setup. it only takes about 35 dollars to make 2 dozen of them. and u will be left over with lots of tyvek and mabe some silicone... i use a nail to spread the silicone. and an AO-Safetey tyvek suit, they had them at the local hardware store here. u can even cut the legs off and make it into a suit with shorts lol, that's what i did. wear it when doing work, u can wipe the sleeves down with a damp cloth soaked in vinnegar before stickin your arms in a glovebox because the suit is waterproof.



If you let the LC touch the tyvek for very long, it will get it wet and allow contams to go right through it. Also, you should try turbonado sugar, it works much better than honey.




and it's cheap and easily measured.

BUT dme is the best IMHO, and it can be bought cheap on ebay.


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Ah, that explains it.  Typical know-it-all noob.  We get a few thousand just like you register here every year.  They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.

We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. 

Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing.  They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end.  They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection.  These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: TheBandit]
    #12236448 - 03/20/10 11:26 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

BUT dme is the best IMHO, and it can be bought cheap on ebay.



what is DME AND IMHO..


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Re: Honey LC sediment. Too much honey? [Re: santaclausmush]
    #12236453 - 03/20/10 11:27 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

dry malt extract.


in my honest opinion.

....do some reading bruvz.


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[quote]RogerRabbit said:
Ah, that explains it.  Typical know-it-all noob.  We get a few thousand just like you register here every year.  They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.

We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. 

Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing.  They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end.  They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection.  These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
RR [/quote]


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