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marcab
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Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong?
#8063583 - 02/24/08 08:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi,
I've got a couple of large-ish rye cakes (from myco-farm.com bags) that were inoculated 7 weeks ago. I cased them and put them in to fruit about 3 weeks ago when I thought they must be fully colonised, but so far all they seem to want to do is slowly grow more myc Temp has been kept at about 20c and they get plenty of light. I'm misting and fanning regularly, but possibly too much or not enough ...?
Crappy pic :

As you can see just a cheap plastic crate + perlite setup.
Any ideas, or do I just have to be more patient? Thanks!
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: marcab]
#8063615 - 02/24/08 08:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry to tell you but thats not myc growing, its mold.
I can see you didn't wait long enough to fruit your cakes- and even if you did, flushing a pure rye cake out is nearly impossible. You might see them start a pin or two.. but.. there isn't any water in those that could support any weight in fruit- you need to break up your grains and spawn them to another medium- nutritive or not. Verm, straw, dookie, coir, etc.
Its best to wait till 100% before they meet the world again-
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: Civ]
#8063632 - 02/24/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i thought the same about him taking them out too soon
but he did say he cased them or something but then again like you said Civ
it's pretty much impossible to do a rye cake rye is only so great because of the way mycelium likes to grow between the grains
if you want fruit a rye cake, you prolly should grind the dry seeds or something
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: anarchOi]
#8063691 - 02/24/08 09:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Rye is used because it contains lots of nutrients, but as it was said before, it's a bad medium to fruit from, due to it's low water keeping potential.
Therefore you spawn rye berries to substrates such as straw, coir etc. which contain nutrients as well but they are also able to store quiet big amounts of water.
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anarchOi
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: Fahkface]
#8063889 - 02/24/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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truthfully, i kind of wish rye were a little less nutritous
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: anarchOi]
#8064002 - 02/24/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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How are you achieving FAE? It doesn't look like you have any holes in that container
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: HeadFood]
#8064019 - 02/24/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Never thought of fanning?
I use two glass terrariums myself and it works perfectly!
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: Fahkface]
#8064158 - 02/24/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well from what i've read it seems like you have to fan obsessively in order to get good FAE without holes. If it has worked for you then perhaps fanning alone would work, but i won't be trying it anytime soon
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: HeadFood]
#8064179 - 02/24/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wouldn't doubt, that a more constant FAE would help to get better results, but I'm quiet satisfied with mine
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: marcab]
#8064226 - 02/24/08 11:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Temp has been kept at about 20c and they get plenty of light...
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Optimal fruiting conditions from Paul Stamets call for temperatures between 74-77 F (23-25 C) and humidity of at least 90-95%. It appears you probably have the humidity alright, but I would consider correcting your temperature. It's not that you won't get any pinning or fruiting with your current set up...its just that it will take significantly longer and you may see significantly less fruits, as I think you are finding out.
As for mold, I can't tell from the pictures, at least the mycelium poriton looks healthy. I would suggest doing an over night dunk in 5% H202 solution in the refrigerator, and then crumbling and re-casing.
As for what has been said about rye being a poor substrate to fruit from, I don't have that experience. I have never used rye. I am an Alien's Substrate kinda' guy...but I would consider given the number of agreements that this may be the case. Get it...may be....the....CASE. HAHAHAH. Ok good luck.
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: thashaman]
#8064394 - 02/24/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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When I first started doing bulk for reasons I never did figure out, I had 2 tubs That took 2 months to pin.But I stuck with it kept conditions up and finnaly life.
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Re: Noob - no pins after 3 weeks, doing anything wrong? [Re: Huckleberry]
#8064696 - 02/24/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
They're not mouldy, although I can see why it would look like they are. I'm using the weird "polymer" casing that came with the myco-farm kit (http://www.appliedmicroscience.co.uk/myco-bag/casing.htm), it's silica gel and chunks of dark stuff. The myc seems healthy and has grown through the casing somewhat, it's just refusing to pin.
Possibly clearer on this one :
 (Right = golden teacher, left = Ban Hua Thanon)
No holes in the crate at present, I'm just fanning ... I wasn't clear on whether they were really needed and was worried about the effect on humidity. (Plus the lid is just a cut-open spawnbag held on with pegs so it's not exactly airtight.) I'll make some and see if it helps.
thashaman - thanks for the temp advice, I did look the optimum temp up at some point but obviously misremembered it, doh.
Bad news about rye being crap to fruit from though, not sure what to do about that I have a friend who managed to get a flush from the same kind of kit before he killed them through neglect so it is at least possible. I don't suppose the lack of water capacity can be sort-of compensated for with heavier misting or suchlike?
Thanks again ...
Edited by marcab (02/24/08 02:12 PM)
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marcab
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Pins! [Re: marcab]
#8081019 - 02/28/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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As per your advice temperature increased, more FAE, heavier misting ... and finally pins! 
 (Gah, my camera really is crap)
No doubt this is crappy versus what you experts routinely achieve, but I was starting to think they wouldn't fruit at all ...
These are just the same old rye cakes with "polymer" casing on top, I'm trying to compensate for the lack of water retention with heavier misting and it seems to be working to some extent. I don't really want to spawn them out to verm or whatever because I'll probably just contam them and kill them off. However a foaf has a couple of similar rye cakes that should be colonised in a couple of weeks, perhaps such techniques should be used then.
Anyway, thanks guys.
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