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BrAiN
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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8073964 - 02/26/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: [ I disagree. I think Dem politicians see it as a means to agglomerate power for themselves and don't give a fuck about the people they will screw to get it. A dependent class is their only validation. They don't want to teach you how to fish, they want to give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, until you have no idea how to get your own. Their "morality" is bankrupt and if you think they care about you you are an utterly irredeemable fool.
Wow... an actual articulate rebuttal by zappam where he doesn't just spend all his energy mocking people here. I'm shocked.
"A dependent class is their only validation."
That sentance pretty much sums up the entire democratic party.
I find the republicans to be just as bad though which is the difference between us.
The republicans are on the other extreme... the Do It Yourself party. They stand for personal responsibility which I like, but at the same time they seem to not give a shit about anyone who has to work 80 hours a week just to keep up with the cost of living. They talk all this smack about how we're such a great country because of our freedom, but they talk down on those who practice these freedoms when they speak out against the gov't and their current actions... the party that leaves their brothers in the dust if they can't keep up, even if those brothers are trying.
Republicans seem to want to divide all americans into two classes... Americans and Sub-Americans... and they tend to forget that those who AREN'T American are actually humans.
You're fucked with either party.
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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: BrAiN]
#8074024 - 02/26/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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They don't want to teach you how to fish, they want to give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, until you have no idea how to get your own. Their "morality" is bankrupt and if you think they care about you you are an utterly irredeemable fool.
A) that's a lot of fish. B) you still rely on personal attacks to make your point.

C)The welfare reform movement reached its apex on August 22, 1996, when President Clinton signed a welfare reform bill, officially titled the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. The bill was hammered out in a compromise with the Republican-controlled Congress, and many Democrats were critical of Clinton's decision to sign the bill, saying it was much the same as the two previous welfare reform bills he had vetoed. In fact, it emerged as one of the most controversial issues for Clinton within his own party.[Haskins 2006]
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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8074151 - 02/26/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Culturally was the wrong word i admit when referring Switzerland ive been there. Politically, perhaps ostensibly because low populations and decent economies don't let problems arise hence "real world". These countries don't work when you add more and more truely different people. Look at Denmarks reformed immigration policy,what happens when a new majority with different ideas emerges? Different situation in the US and larger countries.
Ah, Switzerland...they've got their problems for sure like every other country but I definitely see your point. When certain tolerant, democratic countries get flooded with immigrants there tends to be a reactionary right-wing movement as is happening right now in the Netherlands and to a large extent throughout Europe. Especially when these new citizens are resistant to assimilating into the culture...
Switzerland has a very restrictive immigration policies even to the point of outright xenophobia but they have managed to maintain a prosperous, thriving nation for centuries. Getting Swiss citizenship is a real pain in the ass 
But anyway, I think that the US is just as "real world" as European democracies and we can even learn a thing or two from them. Do you think perhaps that countries with the size and diversity of the US don't lend themselves as easily to be administered more democratically?
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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8081597 - 02/28/08 01:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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America, FUCK YEAH
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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: andrewss]
#8081644 - 02/28/08 02:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: blackegg]
#8081724 - 02/28/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am a liberal democrat. I do not see America as #1 - whatever that means. I do not see America as last either. America is a great nation and we should be proud, but not the point of turning a blind eye to injustice.
Stop with the culture wars already. This isnt the 60s. This isnt the 90s. Get over the hatred and division and the us vs them mentality.
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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: vonhumboldt]
#8081911 - 02/28/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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You ain't from around here is ya? (hawk-ptooie!)
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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8085970 - 02/29/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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First of all, which fucking college are you attending and why are you there if you're being asked questions like that? I can't believe a licensed teacher could be so ignorant and biased and... uneducated. God damn.
Anyways, I read a few replies and it seems that most people think that being 'the best country in the world' has to do with having the most things, and being the most comfortable, the best standard of living, etc. My idea of the best country in the world is a place where people are taught to respect each other, to respect the environment, to live life in a way that is beneficial to all living things on this planet. We live a terrible life in western society today - everything is about the self. We center our lives around our selves (for the most part), and rarely use what's been given to us to empathize with others (human and otherwise); we substitute love for material goods, and we put ourselves above others.
I would rather live in poverty with a community that loves me, who I can also love -a place where people work together-, than live in my big house in a country where I feel alone and worthless most of the time.
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