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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8068840 - 02/25/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'd bet Uzbekistan really sucks ass too. :borat:


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8068877 - 02/25/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ammerukkah is t3h llllllll cuz I liv int. And zappa 2. FTW


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: blackegg]
    #8068934 - 02/25/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

State of World Liberty Index 2006

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index

"The 2006 State of World Liberty Index is a compilation of data from four major freedom indices: The Fraser Institute and The Cato Institute "2005 Economic Freedom of the World"; The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal "2006 Index of Economic Freedom"; Freedom House "2005 Freedom in the World"; and Reporters without Borders "Press Freedom Index". The SoWL Index scores and ranks 166 countries based on three criteria: individual freedom, economic freedom and government size and taxation."

Overall top 10:

1 Estonia
2 Ireland
3 Canada
4 Switzerland
5 Iceland
6 Bahamas
7 United Kingdom
8 United States
9 Cyprus
10 New Zealand


United States Individual Freedoms rank: #19
United States Economic Freedoms rank: #6



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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8069152 - 02/25/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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We've got a lock on inbred hill billies. Fuck yeah, America is #1!




I think that might actually go to the Irish.




Don't they call 'em pikers or something? Whatever the case, they got nothing on our hill billies. And don't confuse them with rednecks. Especially not to a redneck. I made the mistake once of calling a redneck a hill billy. He got soooo pissed. He was a friend so luckily I didn't get shot or anything, but he kept bitching about it. Like he was deeply offended to be mistaken for a hill billy.

Then he told me a story how he once got taken to a hill billy party and they were literally throwing bricks at each other's heads and drinking moonshine. Half of 'em were bleeding all over from pretty bad head wounds but they were laughing and kept on drinking. Fucking retards.


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: unbeliever]
    #8069422 - 02/25/08 05:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds like a spot on description of Irish and Aussies. English footy hooligans as well. Oy oyoyoyoyoyoyoy ah yah fuckin gobsheit, that was well struck ear ave a bit of this.


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: Disco Cat]
    #8071961 - 02/26/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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This might be of interest to people:

Democracy Index

"The Economist has in a study examined the state of democracy in 167 countries and attempted to quantify this with an Economist Intelligence Unit Index of Democracy which focused on five general categories; free and fair election process, civil liberties, functioning of government, political participation and political culture."

Here is the report

Top 10 democracies in the world:

1. Sweden
2. Iceland
3. Netherlands
4. Norway
5. Denmark
6. Finland
7. Luxembourg
8. Australia
9. Canada
10. Switzerland
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17. USA






Might that be because the US is a Republic?:strokebeard:


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: buckwheat]
    #8072116 - 02/26/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Might that be because the US is a Republic?:strokebeard:



Yes. I've lived in Switzerland and they have a much more robust democracy than the US, which truly represents the will of its people. With almost every issue there is a referendum and citizens are encouraged to vote on all of them. Moreover laws often vary from canton (district) to canton depending on what the people in that given area want to have.

For instance, certain cantons wanted to criminalise weed and have continuously asked the people via referendum, who responded with a resounding, "Hell no!" This is why weed remains decriminalised in certain areas to the point where you can roll yourself a spliff in a bar. :yesnod: Could you ever imagine the US government giving its people this much power and responsibility?

...Hence the US' position on that list.


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8072143 - 02/26/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

WOOOOOO!!!

WE'RE NUMBER 1 WOOOOOO!!!!!!!


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: BrAiN]
    #8072177 - 02/26/08 11:35 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

U S A!!!
U S A!!!


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: buckwheat]
    #8072308 - 02/26/08 12:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Might that be because the US is a Republic?:strokebeard:




Not really. Norway is officially designated as a Constitutional Monarchy, for example.


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: blackegg]
    #8072363 - 02/26/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The US makes the best music in the world and yet this is the hardest country to be a musician in. Musicians don't make shit in America. But I guess they don't most other places, its just easier to get grants. All those crappy Canadian Indy bands get free money left and right.

My Favorite Hill billies are the 11 year olds with shaved heads who look like they could kick the shit out of me and would be happy to. I'll never forget the first time I pulled into a gas station in Kentucky and there was this little boy in a wife beater who had a white kitten at the end of fishing wire. He was dragging the kitten, who was protesting loudly, over the asphalt while chewing tabacco. Eventually, he got tired of the kitten's meowing so he turned to it and yelled, "shut up, nigger!"


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8072587 - 02/26/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm serious....we should have just let the south cede.


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8072606 - 02/26/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

imho....fuck america:grin:


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8072973 - 02/26/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm serious....we should have just let the south cede.




Fuck that shit, then I'd be stuck in Strange Fruit Land. (shiver)

But it's AMAZING to me that people, some people at least, just completely have no concept of America not being #1.

None.

To even bring up the possibility is mind-boggling to these people.

They usually react with..."Well we're better than (name of a really shitty counrty)"

Like if you're not #1 you must be #5,003


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: blackegg]
    #8073060 - 02/26/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The thing that pisses me off is that the US has, by far, the largest economy and it could easily have the best health care and education systems in the world though this is not the case. Wasted potential...grrrr:crankey:


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8073111 - 02/26/08 03:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

Might that be because the US is a Republic?:strokebeard:



Yes. I've lived in Switzerland and they have a much more robust democracy than the US, which truly represents the will of its people. With almost every issue there is a referendum and citizens are encouraged to vote on all of them. Moreover laws often vary from canton (district) to canton depending on what the people in that given area want to have.

For instance, certain cantons wanted to criminalise weed and have continuously asked the people via referendum, who responded with a resounding, "Hell no!" This is why weed remains decriminalised in certain areas to the point where you can roll yourself a spliff in a bar. :yesnod: Could you ever imagine the US government giving its people this much power and responsibility?

...Hence the US' position on that list.




Switzerland and those perfect little culturally homogeneous European countries are not good examples of the real world.


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: buckwheat]
    #8073223 - 02/26/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Switzerland and those perfect little culturally homogeneous European countries are not good examples of the real world.




Of course. This country is a figment of my imagination and all of its peoples are living in a bubble. :lol: Does the same goes for every other European country that has a more democratic system than the US'? What you've just said is actually quite insulting.

Switzerland is far from being culturally homogenous and contains French, Swiss-German, Italian and Romansch speakers all with their own distinctive cultures. But let's discount it from what we consider the real world, because it's tiny and European. I've lived and worked there for over a year and can honestly tell you that, yes, it is the real world. It is also far more democratic ...


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8073271 - 02/26/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The thing that pisses me off is that the US has, by far, the largest economy and it could easily have the best health care and education systems in the world though this is not the case. Wasted potential...




...different priorities.

The sad part is and I think this is the main difference between 'Reps' and 'Dems' (if i may be so bold) is that Dems see helping those on the bottom as not only a moral thing to do but a financial thing as well.

Education, welfare to work programs, homeless job training programs, treatment instead of prison...all these things will actually *decrease* the burden the taxpayers are saddled with in the long run.

I'm not sure what the mainstream Republican constituency thinks about this except what the few I know have said and it's basically some variation of "Those blacks take drugs while they're pregnant SO THEY'LL HAVE deformed kids that they can get money for."

or

"Yeah, but a lot of those charities are corrupt anyways. I was the treasurer for _______ and you should've seen the lunches these guys wanted put on the account"

Which sidesteps the whole issue.


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8073396 - 02/26/08 04:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Switzerland is far from being culturally homogenous and contains French, Swiss-German, Italian and Romansch speakers all with their own distinctive cultures. But let's discount it from what we consider the real world, because it's tiny and European. I've lived and worked there for over a year and can honestly tell you that, yes, it is the real world. It is also far more democratic ...




Culturally was the wrong word i admit when referring Switzerland ive been there. Politically, perhaps ostensibly because low populations and decent economies don't let problems arise hence "real world".:shrug: These countries don't work when you add more and more truely different people. Look at Denmarks reformed immigration policy,what happens when a new majority with different ideas emerges? Different situation in the US and larger countries.


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Re: The mentality of thinking America is #1. [Re: blackegg]
    #8073921 - 02/26/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The sad part is and I think this is the main difference between 'Reps' and 'Dems' (if i may be so bold) is that Dems see helping those on the bottom as not only a moral thing to do but a financial thing as well.






I disagree. I think Dem politicians see it as a means to agglomerate power for themselves and don't give a fuck about the people they will screw to get it. A dependent class is their only validation. They don't want to teach you how to fish, they want to give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, and give you fish, until you have no idea how to get your own. Their "morality" is bankrupt and if you think they care about you you are an utterly irredeemable fool.


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