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Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession
#8062794 - 02/23/08 11:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=7914463&nav=4QcS4R25
MONTPELIER, Vt. -- A Senate committee has approved a bill that increases the penalty for possessing heroin and cocaine.
Supporters say the bill, passed unanimously by the Senate Judiciary Committee on Friday, is targeted at out-of-state drug dealers, to stop the flow of drugs into Vermont.
It makes the possession of smaller amounts of the two drugs eligible for trafficking charges.
Two weeks ago the committee approved a bill that would relax penalties on Vermonters caught with small amounts of marijuana.
Under the latest bill, trafficking charges would kick in for the possession of 150 grams cocaine and 3.5 grams of heroin, with penalties of up to 30 years in prison and $1 million in fines.
Sen. Kevin Mullin, R-Rutland, the sponsor of the bill, says the amount of drugs outlined in the legislation ensures that those arrested are dealing drugs.
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Re: Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8062809 - 02/23/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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fucking nazi usa
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Re: Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession [Re: pabloescabar]
#8063544 - 02/24/08 08:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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damn those are some harsh penalties
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Re: Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8063640 - 02/24/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think this is a good thing. I really have not seen much good come out of heroin. it's a horrible drug and unneeded. cocaine is not as bad, but i think most could live without it. Maybe slowing cocaine would lower the amount of crackheads in this country as well. i am pretty sure this is what amsterdam did too, and look at them...
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Re: Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession [Re: surfcrawl]
#8063719 - 02/24/08 09:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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all it is going to do is make addicts spend more time in jail....
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Re: Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession [Re: surfcrawl]
#8063726 - 02/24/08 09:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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surfcrawl said: i think this is a good thing. I really have not seen much good come out of heroin. it's a horrible drug and unneeded. cocaine is not as bad, but i think most could live without it. Maybe slowing cocaine would lower the amount of crackheads in this country as well. i am pretty sure this is what amsterdam did too, and look at them...
The main reason heroin is so bad is BECAUSE its illegal. If you look at countries that have set up ways for addicts to get their heroin, and safe injection clinics, junkies begin to use less, use in safer ways, become less concerned with "omg wheres my next fix going to come from", they're able to hold jobs and function normally in society, etc. Increasing the penalties is going to do nothing but encourage more violence in the drug trade, make shit more expensive, make fiends more desperate, etc. Nothing good will come of it.
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Re: Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession [Re: DragonChaser]
#8064606 - 02/24/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm from the White River JCT VT area. Heroin destroyed that area. I saw a lot of lives get crushed, so glad I moved.
I may add that the average addict or small time dealer generally doesn't have 3.5 grams of heroin on them, or 150grams of cocaine, this is aimed strictly at big time traffickers.
I don't think the laws will change anything though. Nevada has some strict laws and you can still score whatever you want on the Vegas strip.
Edited by downlowfunk (02/24/08 01:41 PM)
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Re: Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession [Re: downlowfunk]
#8065655 - 02/24/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I may add that the average addict or small time dealer generally doesn't have 3.5 grams of heroin on them, or 150grams of cocaine, this is aimed strictly at big time traffickers.
the average small time dealer can allready get charged for any amount, or none at all, of heroin
This isn't a threshold for prosecution, its a standard above which the prosecution must not prove the person actually trafficked.
Newsflash: some people don't like buyinig shit every fucking day, and you can get good deals w/ larger purchases.
The average person won't have this much, but some will, and that's fucked up.
Traficking should be for trafikers, not those that meet arbitrary criteria that fit just as logically to someone that prefers bargains and not going and dealing with fuckups every day. (i.e. multiple packages or x number of grams)
By this logic, I think we should charge everyone buying bulk ketchup or pretzels at sam's club or other warehouse clubs with zoning violations and failure to have the proper buisness permits. When they bring their huge bottle of ketchup or pretzel rods home, surely they didn't intend to use that all themselves? They must be selling.
Doesn't make so much sense now...
but of course the jackasses in power "know" that no drug user plans ahead and purchases for the month at one time, right?
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Re: Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession [Re: downlowfunk]
#8067451 - 02/25/08 02:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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downlowfunk said:
I may add that the average addict or small time dealer generally doesn't have 3.5 grams of heroin on them, or 150grams of cocaine, this is aimed strictly at big time traffickers.
One cup of poppy tea weighs much more than 3.5 grams, under this law someone who makes one cup of tea would be a big time dealer deserving of a 30 year sentence.
150 grams of cocaine seems like a lot, but one box of coca tea weighs more than that, and would test positive for cocaine.
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Re: Senate committee approves boosting penalty for drug possession [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#8068746 - 02/25/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yep, any substance containing cocaine or whatnot IS cocaine.
so you put a cocoa leaf in the ocean, you've just manufactured a ton of cocaine... bullshit
How about charge people on the amount of the chemical? This isn't 1800, it is very easy to determine the range of possible masses a particular substance contains.
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AN ACT RELATING TO DECREASING THE AMOUNTS OF COCAINE AND HEROIN REQUIRED TO BE POSSESSED TO TRIGGER DRUG TRAFFICKING PENALTIES
It is hereby enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Vermont:
Sec. 1. 18 V.S.A. § 4231(c)(1) is amended to read:
(c)(1) Trafficking. A person knowingly and unlawfully possessing cocaine in an amount consisting of 300 150 grams or more of one or more preparations, compounds, mixtures, or substances containing cocaine with the intent to sell or dispense the cocaine shall be imprisoned not more than 30 years or fined not more than $1,000,000.00, or both. There shall be a permissive inference that a person who possesses cocaine in an amount consisting of 300 150 grams or more of one or more preparations, compounds, mixtures, or substances containing cocaine intends to sell or dispense the cocaine. The amount of possessed cocaine under this subdivision to sustain a charge of conspiracy under 13 V.S.A. § 1404 shall be no less than 800 400 grams in the aggregate.
Sec. 2. 18 V.S.A. § 4233(c) is amended to read:
(c) Trafficking. A person knowingly and unlawfully possessing heroin in an amount consisting of seven 3.5 grams or more of one or more preparations, compounds, mixtures, or substances containing heroin with the intent to sell or dispense the heroin shall be imprisoned not more than 30 years or fined not more than $1,000,000.00, or both. There shall be a permissive inference that a person who possesses heroin in an amount of seven 3.5 grams or more of one or more preparations, compounds, mixtures, or substances containing heroin intends to sell or dispense the heroin. The amount of possessed heroin under this subsection to sustain a charge of conspiracy under 13 V.S.A. § 1404 shall be no less than 20 10 grams in the aggregate.
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