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first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR maybe?
#8062730 - 02/23/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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long time lurker, first time poster here. Doing my first bulk attempts in a greenhouse. Followed most of RogerRabbit's advice on my GH setup and rye to coir spawning procedures.
I am currently having much success with straight Rye cased with Coir in the MiniGreenhouse (like a Martha). I did this to ensure I would have some success, I like baby stepping it. I did not spawn to bulk on this one, it is only 2-3 inches deep plus casing, but has a great pinset, almost all covered! I know coir is not the best, but I had it handy. Next time I am very much thinking Jiffy Mix pasteurized for ease, lime already added and all.
On the one tray (using Cat litter trays for this) I did attempt to spawn my rye to straigh pasteurized coir. I did about a 1:4 ratio, and it was doing well. I decided not to check it for 3 days cause it was seeming to be slow going, but I did see mycleium patches working their way to the top...It was also very wet from condensation, normal right? When I looked after several days there were 3-4 very sad looking fruits in the middle. They were premature fruits, as the coir was not fully colonized. Been in the GH a week now with no contaminants, and starting to get a few pins. I didn't case it cause of lack of full colonization, I just put it in the GH as is. I pulled the 3-4 weak little fruits cause they were kinda green, but I think because there was just to much moisture and not enough FAE as they were covered with foil for 4 days. They shouldn't have grown and were not striving. Everything smells groovy, so I beleive it is not contaminants, as I know is a big reason for early pins.
I think I maybe had too many knife cuts in the foil for gas release. I did probably 8-10 inch long slits, covered with micropore tape. I also checked them pretty much every day. So I suspect too much FAE, not enough CO2 buildup? Is this a good assumption? Should I just cut like 1 or 2 holes, so that CO2 builds up but can still escape... There was little to no light, and they were kept in a incubater only because my room tempature is like 67 in these winter days. So I warm the incubator to just around 78-80 with a heated blanked.
So why early pins? And now the bulk tray is not doing so hot. The other ones I have are straight rye cased, doing great. Question about these tho. AS I said it is cold, and my GH gets as low as 62. Is this okay? They seem to still be striving. I tried a radiator in the closet, but it seemed to dry things out and humidity suffered. Another question, I used RogerRabbit's advice on coolmist in the GH. I started with a minute timer, but it never seemed to be enough. I now just leave the Coolmist on 24/7 and maintain like 84-89% humidity. I think it may be more inside, the digital hygrometer I have is cheap and I have a good one coming in the mail. There definitely isn't a flood in there as one would assume with 24/7 operation.... There are drops but luckily I have the trays positioned so they don't get the drops, the drops fall thru the shelves and land in the perlite tray I have on the bottom - it is thick 4 inch and is the entire bottom of the GH. I leave the GH door all the way unzipped, but it is down with long slender openings where the zippers are. I read that RR says to leave the door open a bit, but I never new how much, so I leave it all the way unzipped... I felt like the top shelf on the greenhouse would not get good FAE if the zipper was down past it... I don't mind running coolmist 24/7, it actually is good cause there is no tweaking, and refills are still only every couple of days. In addition, I also have a small desk style fan in the bottom facing up that blows hard for like 30 seconds every 15 minutes... I used the timer I no longer need for the coolmist...:). So my setup is virtually automated except filling the coolmist... the coolmist creates probably enough FAE for the fruits, but if it did lack the 30 second fan every 15 minutes would finish the job.
Sorry for getting so long, as I said first post....
to recap: Why early pins on bulk? Why struggle with humidity? Is 62-66 too cold for cubes?
Also, is there really a benefit to using coir? Does it provide more and different nutrients the mycleium likes? Or is it merely a way to ease the process and stretch out a small amount of rye into a larger mycleium organism? Never found a good answer to that, so I hope RogerRabbit reads and replies, cause I have read bout everything I could find that he wrote and don't quite understand these couple of obstacles I am running into. thanks a latte.
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: imnotthere]
#8062772 - 02/23/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cant answer most of your questions but yes there is a benefit to using coir. It is a nutritive substance that mycellium feeds/thrives on. 62-66 is fine for cubes IME.
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR maybe? [Re: imnotthere]
#8062835 - 02/24/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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cool, thanks for your reply. I would like to hear anything more about coir as bulk being more nutritious than straight rye. I was under the impression that most of the nutrients were the rye... And good to hear about the temperatures. Are they slower at these lower temps? Probably not worth trying to raise to grow faster... i wouldn't think anyways.
Hope to hear more about the real problem at hand, cause I wanna try to spawn again and want to know if I should cut down FAE and try again - I'm weary of even trying with all the success of straight Rye cased, why muck it up attempting to spawn to Coir? Insight on early pins on bulk tray would be great, thanks!
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: imnotthere]
#8062911 - 02/24/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Coir + rye works well. Very well.
You are also, doing pretty well, for a lurker. 
Look, the newer to this hobby you are, the more often you will fuck up because you DO TOO MUCH.
Keep it simple until you succeed. Case and fruit... see what happens. Once you succeed you'll realize there is no reason to over-think this process.
If you are getting pins, you are getting colonization. You should be relatively safe from contams for a flush or two... at least.
Be sure you are in fruiting conditions... and keep your myc hydrated... the cool mist won't do it ALL for you. Just don't spray the healthy pins directly. Fruits like misty rain every day... you just don't mist the fruits. You'll figure it out.
You are almost there.
Good luck.
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: Rose]
#8062931 - 02/24/08 01:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks. What do you think I am doing that is too much? My main question was would too many holes and too much FAE cause these premature pins. This seems to be the only thing holding me back from a successful spawn to bulk and case tek. I am getting pins, but prematurely, before 100% colonization....
And I beleive RR has proven many times that the cool mist with perlite on the bottom can and will do it all... my only question would be is my need to run it 24/7 because my door is open more than most growers who run the cool mist off and on at short increments... like RR. Maybe only a question RR can answer.
Thanks for your help though, it is much appreciated. I do tend to overthink things, and overdo which is what I think caused early pins -> too much FAE cause of too many holes and too much peeking... any input on if this is the likely cause?
And I think my humidity is 88% or higher. The digital hygrometer gets too wet and stops reading past this... and there are a few drops inside the GH, but as I said none fall onto my substrate trays so I think this is ok. Definitely no standing water...
I was running the CM on for 3 minutes and off for 5 for a while. But I would come home from being gone all day to find humidity to be in the 50s and 60s, which is not good. So I just decided to put more perlite in the bottom and leave the thing running 24/7 with the door fully unzipped in order to provide what I think is an ample amount of FAE. Hope RR can comment on this when he gets the chance, as he is the main inspiration behind my CM and GH setup.
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: imnotthere]
#8062958 - 02/24/08 01:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm sure RR will take a look at this thread... but I also assume it is currently past his bed time.
Welcome to The Shroomery!
Welcome to the world of mushrooms.
They RARELY do exactly what you want them to do... especially if you are relatively new to all this.
My point is... you didn't get a perfect flush THIS TIME. But who cares really? You are getting a FLUSH... n00b. 
Congratulations.
Pins... premature or not... are at the very least, a good sign that you have done SOMETHING RIGHT. Most n00bs can't say the same thing, especially when they are spawning to bulk. You have already done very well.
So well, in fact... that you will be able to wait for RR to answer this thread tomorrow... and your myc will STILL be fine. 
I also suspect you gave 'em too much air and/or light... if you were allowing the casings to colonize. Either that or you started from a miltispore injection... rather than an isolate.
This, in the grand scheme of things, is not a problem.
If they are pinning, and cased, forget the cover and fruit the fuckers. Let 'em do what they do... sure it isn't completely colonized but there is at least a 90% chance the rest of your casing will catch up. Sure they won't flush at the same time... at least not the first flush... but you are still flushing!
Flushes... perfect flushes from spawned casings are rare for n00bs. Hell, pins are rare for n00bs.
In your case... one out of two ain't bad. 
Pat yourself on the back and get some sleep. That's what RR is currently doing.
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Edited by Rose (02/24/08 01:31 AM)
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: Rose]
#8063027 - 02/24/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well i think u misunderstood a bit of what i said. I did have success with rye trays i didn't spawn, just cased. Actually an awesome pinset -> I have some experience, i mean cakes and stuff several times, not completely noob.. and actually had Good luck with the casings, and bad luck with the spawning to bulk... The one i spawned to coir is the early pinner, before it colonized the coir, before even thinking about a casing - sitting in the incubator... And it is doing very little since I pulled those early fruits - They were way too early...
Anyways no matter thanks for your welcome. I know its late, I'm up at these hours and sometimes forget other folks aren't - but you are or you are answering me in your sleep, one of the 2. I was in no urgency and didn't mean to come off that way, I was just responding cause other folks did.. I suspect to get better answers tommorrow.
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: imnotthere]
#8063126 - 02/24/08 02:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Like I said... welcome to the world of cubes...
Getting them to do what you want them to do... when you want them to do it... can be like herding cats.
I have not been in your exact situation... but I know enough to know you are safe 'till tomorrow... when you can get some answers about your SPECIFIC situation. You are doing fine. When spawning, pins are ALWAYS better than no pins. 
Again, pat yourself on the back and sleep well... worst case scenario... you'll do better next time... but I don't think this is a worst case scenario... not the best either... but dude... you did good!
MOST PEOPLE MAKE THEIR FIRST POST ABOUT FUCKING UP THE PF TEK... OR THE WATER CONTENT OF THEIR GRAINS! 
You posted about premature PINS!
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Edited by Rose (02/24/08 02:34 AM)
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: imnotthere]
#8063140 - 02/24/08 02:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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>I am currently having much success with straight Rye cased with Coir in the MiniGreenhouse (like a Martha). I did this to ensure I would have some success, I like baby stepping it. I did not spawn to bulk on this one, it is only 2-3 inches deep plus casing, but has a great pinset, almost all covered! I know coir is not the best, but I had it handy. Next time I am very much thinking Jiffy Mix pasteurized for ease, lime already added and all.
Cool....Coirs not suitable for a casing just to let you know. The only reason is nutrition. Mycelium eats up nutrition so your basically just adding another layer of substrate. But it does hold a lot of nutrition. I would recommend Jiffy Mix but Peat/Verm/Gypsum/Lime added your own way is more beneficial as you have more control over it.
>I pulled the 3-4 weak little fruits cause they were kinda green, but I think because there was just to much moisture and not enough FAE as they were covered with foil for 4 days. They shouldn't have grown and were not striving. Everything smells groovy, so I beleive it is not contaminants, as I know is a big reason for early pins.
```90% of all contaminants are caused from stale air. We poke holes in the aluminum foil for gas exchange so it doesn't 1. Starve. 2. Contaminate. Sounds like you have the mean green. It just hasn't turned hulk on you yet. Too much air exchange during colonization leads to early pinning too. If the holes in your jar lid are too big, your grains or whatever are exposed to air exchange rather than just gas exchange, which would keep CO2 levels high and prevent pinning.
>I think I maybe had too many knife cuts in the foil for gas release. I did probably 8-10 inch long slits, covered with micropore tape. I also checked them pretty much every day. So I suspect too much FAE, not enough CO2 buildup? Is this a good assumption? Should I just cut like 1 or 2 holes, so that CO2 builds up but can still escape... There was little to no light, and they were kept in a incubater only because my room tempature is like 67 in these winter days. So I warm the incubator to just around 78-80 with a heated blanked.
```You may get shitty pin sets for fucking with the casing while colonizing too long. If you pasteurized at field capacity depending on how big your container is there shouldn't be any need to mist. Next time get a space heater. There's no need to incubate bulk substrates as they increase heat on their own by colonizing + sweating it and increasing your chances of contamination, anyways.
>Question about these tho. AS I said it is cold, and my GH gets as low as 62. Is this okay?
```Use a space heater to increase the heat.
>Why early pins on bulk? Why struggle with humidity? Is 62-66 too cold for cubes? Also, is there really a benefit to using coir? Does it provide more and different nutrients the mycleium likes? Or is it merely a way to ease the process and stretch out a small amount of rye into a larger mycleium organism? Never found a good answer to that, so I hope RogerRabbit reads and replies, cause I have read bout everything I could find that he wrote and don't quite understand these couple of obstacles I am running into. thanks a latte.
```84-88F is fine for cased substrates. I believe(I COULD BE WRONG BUT I THINK) Running the coolmist 24/7 is creating a lot of condensation + not providing enough FAE for it to evaporate all the water off??Correct me if i'm wrong. Coirs great as a substrate. Lots of nutritions and holds Booko lots of moisture. The casing should not colonize at all, A casing should not have ANY NUTRITION WHAT SO EVER. Peat/Vermiculite/Hydrated Lime, Gypsum will help you out dramatically ... when using a teaspoon of lime per cup of peat and 10% gypsum You Don't even need to Heat Treat it. FYI some species won't even pin/grow when the casing is heat treated. Is 62-66F too cold for cubes. I would say yes. But fruiting slower gives benefits like 1. There Better Fruit Quality. 2. Easier To Control Evaporation. 3. Easier To Control Picking Time. But myself I would try to get the temp at least up in the 68-70F range
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8063156 - 02/24/08 02:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree... in your case... more heat may help.
Granted... I didn't post a bunch of confusing shit before I made MY point... but still...
60's, while OK... is not optimal... and is in fact... a bit too cold.
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8063187 - 02/24/08 02:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"90% of all contaminants are caused from stale air. We poke holes in the aluminum foil for gas exchange so it doesn't 1. Starve. 2. Contaminate. Sounds like you have the mean green. It just hasn't turned hulk on you yet. Too much air exchange during colonization leads to early pinning too. If the holes in your jar lid are too big, your grains or whatever are exposed to air exchange rather than just gas exchange, which would keep CO2 levels high and prevent pinning"
The only thing that was green was the fruits - looked more like rotten shrums too me, like when they get waterlogged. I think a week in the GH would have stunk by now. I don't think mean green but time will tell.
```You may get shitty pin sets for fucking with the casing while colonizing too long. If you pasteurized at field capacity depending on how big your container is there shouldn't be any need to mist. Next time get a space heater. There's no need to incubate bulk substrates as they increase heat on their own by colonizing + sweating it and increasing your chances of contamination, anyways"
the one i'm having trouble with is uncased. Just rye spawned to coir and in the 78-80 degree incubator. But before complete colonization of the bulk it fruited some weak lil shrooms.
2 different animals i'm doing here. The other, straight rye cased with coir is doing great. I'm talking hundreds of little pins, tons getting bigger, probably multiple flushes. I know coir is nutritious, so I cased it and immediately put it in the GH. It colonized perfectly, just in the cracks, in a couple days and pinned in a few more days afer that.
It probably will benefit from the nutrients in the coir casing, since I didn't spawn these to coir, they are straight rye.
And don't tell me when to goto sleep! haha I kid I kid. I'm an all nighter sometimes.
Again I am not reposting because this is any kind of urgency, I am just conversating over my question... how much more can I spell that out? You assume I can't sleep cause my mycelium is keeping me up, lol. I'm just an insomnoid. And I'll save the pats for when I do something better than medicore 
Remember, its MYcelium, nachos.
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: imnotthere]
#8063201 - 02/24/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is early where I am... but most n00bs posting at this hour are over-anxious about their myc... and should be sleeping rather than posting. 
Old habits die hard.
Forgive me.

You start posting tonight... and NOW you own the place...
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: Rose]
#8063213 - 02/24/08 03:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I understand. I am goint to bed soon I promise. Its approaching 4 here, bout the time I be thinking bout bed, specially on a Sat night, I got beers to drink ya know. Thanks for replies tho, u shroomerites to act quick.
Did I post all the confusing shit before making my point, or the other guy? I probably did too, I was describing 2 different trays and could have seperated them more to understand the differences. I was just showing that I am not complete ignant, and did have success with cased rye - much success -> this would keep me up more than poor success - I just wanna watch these things grow. I wish I had my camera to show one tray with a great pinset - my first. I may actually get it back tommorrow and will see about posting a pic. But I'm outta here for now. That last beer may have done the trick.
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: imnotthere]
#8063227 - 02/24/08 03:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not you, the other guy.
I am no RogerRabbit... I just used to moderate this forum... back in the day. Heh, back when we NEEDED a RR around here. Back when RoadKill was MIA... when Magash was HAPPY to have a n00b like me helping out in this forum... back when HolyDiver was known as just Diver... before Wronguy was even a glimmer in his mother's eye. Before Prisoner1 had over 10,000 posts!
Dumbfounded is a good guy, and he is reading the right stuff... but he has little experience in this craft and often gives advice based on his interpretations of OTHER people's OPINIONS... rather than advice based on his own personal experience.
Nothing wrong with that... in your case, I'm doing the exact same thing.
I am however being up front and honest about it. 
Beer = Good
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Edited by Rose (02/24/08 03:39 AM)
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: Rose]
#8064006 - 02/24/08 11:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It sounds like you prepared the coir too wet. When you grab a handful and squeeze like hell, only a few drops should come out, and then it should stop dripping, even if you're still squeezing.
When you cover a tray of bulk substrate to colonize, use foil and DON'T cut long slits. Either do nothing at all or poke three or four nail sized (1/8") holes for gas exchange. There will actually be enough gas exchange around the edges where the foil is crimped to the tub because that's not a perfect seal. Gas exchange is what you're looking for. If you make the holes too big or cut slits, you get air exchange, which is a pinning trigger.
Coir is not more nutritious than grains. It's a bulk substrate like straw, cotton seed hulls, manure, etc. It needs to be used in bulk, meaning lots of substrate.
Correct your moisture content on the next grow, and cover tightly with foil while the coir colonizes, which at a 1 to 3 ratio shouldn't take more than a week to ten days at normal room temperature. Don't look at it too often. Doing so provides air exchange, which as said above is a pinning trigger. RR
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8064271 - 02/24/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I actually took advice from you on another post saying to prepare the coir a tad on the dry side. I squeezed the heck out of it, until virtually no water came out... but maybe collectively it was too wet... What leads you to that assumption, the fact that it was colonizing slowly?
How do you suggest preparing coir? I pasteurized in a bucket with 160 degree water added and stirred. Then when cool enough I began taking handfuls out of the bucket, squeezing them, and placing them in a big ziploc bag to transfer to my sterile room. Is there a better way to ensure it is not too moist next time? I've read the pillow case method and maybe hang drying it?
Thats what I thought on my early pins, to much FAE - thanks for advice.
So if coir is not more nutritious than rye... could I in theory do a tray of all rye, case it, and get as good of results with straight rye as I would with rye and coir? Assuming the cubic area would be the same - like 4 inches deep of all rye instead of coir and rye... Which would outperform?
My gut says the coir would, as it provides not more... but different nutrients to the shrooms. Is there any other reasons I am missing?
And on the topic of moisture content... Is it safe to say that the substrate (whether coir or manure or others), should be prepared on the dryer side, and the casing layer (whether coir or peat or jiffy) should be prepared a little wetter, but not dripping...? I would think that extra moisture would only be good in the casing layer.
And RR, any input on my GH and coolmist situation. I put a different hygrometer in there (not better but a fresh dry one until my analog comes), and it reads 90. Now there are water droplets, but only on the right side of the GH since that is the side the CM is on. The trays are all to the hard left, so they do not get actually drops. It isn't a flood in there, no standing water.
This is the one I ordered - any experience with one like this? http://www.technika.com/Sper/s736740.htm
My 3 dollar analogs I had were cigar ones, and they literally get water logged and read like 120% afte a while. I just don't think they have the capability to read 90% accurately - no one keeps their cigs that humid As I said before I am now running the CM 24/7, with a small deskfan in the bottom pointing up that kicks on for like 30 seconds every 15 minutes, just for more FAE. I've read u only keep your CM on in small increments... My door is fully unzipped on both sides, is this open more than u suggest? I would think if I can maintain 85-90 with the door open and CM on 24/7, I am probably getting great FAE. When you have said in other posts to leave the door open - How much do you mean? I know it is nitpicking here and sorry...
I just felt like if I zip it half way down, the top shelf will not get as much FAE as the bottom, cause the GH is closed at its height... so I figured just leave it completely unzipped- is that too damn confusing I am sorry?
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: imnotthere]
#8064382 - 02/24/08 12:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
imnotthere said: So if coir is not more nutritious than rye... could I in theory do a tray of all rye, case it, and get as good of results with straight rye as I would with rye and coir? Assuming the cubic area would be the same - like 4 inches deep of all rye instead of coir and rye... Which would outperform?
Since coir is easier to hydrate and re-hydrate than rye grain... the coir SHOULD help you get bigger fruits than the rye. Cubes are 90% water... so nutrition is not as important as hydration (if myc can grow on it... chances are it is nutritious enough). The more water your substrate can EFFECTIVELY hold, the bigger your fruits should be. You already know from experience... coir holds more water than rye.
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Re: first time posting! -premature pinning on bulk, and coolmist not cutting it in greenhouse- RR ma [Re: Rose]
#8069867 - 02/25/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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that probably explains my first harvest. I thought they had a couple days but then the veils uponed slightly, so I picked em. They are fat, but very short, only around 2-3 inches, but like I said nice fatties. This is probably to do with my shallow sub, and lack of coir as it is just straight rye, bout 2 inches deep, and cased with coir.
I picked all the mature ones, but now there are LOTS of small ones that seem to have potential - not complete aborts. How can I rehydrate the substrate with all of these small pins and shrooms to give these guys enough moisture to grow. I suspect the moisture is tapped and these guys aren't gonna do so great.
I did lightly mist, and then run a fan on it for a little while so that there would be no standing water on the pins. Anything else I can do? There are so many of them I can't even begin to try and spray around them, or pour water down the sides cause there are lots of pins on the sides.
And all of these so called "Aborts"... are these lingering until the second flush. I've read that these will produce the 2nd and even 3rd flushes, so I don't want to clean the casings in order to dunk, I would lose all of these little guys.
Is it okay to hydrate in the middle of a flush? How would one do that?
Do most "aborts" continue growing during future flushes? I recall reading it but can't find it again. I used to pick all the aborts before starting the second flush on my cakes - I actually learned about dunking after moving on from cakes, and never attempted a dunk - I used to just add a layer of vermiculite on the top and spray heavily for a couple of days between flushes - the water would soak into the cake over these days and be rehydrated.
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