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fastfred
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: johnm214]
#8087756 - 02/29/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomjew seems like he's full of shit. Check out some of this other threads. He's just looking to stir up shit and troll it looks like.
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: fastfred]
#8087801 - 02/29/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah this story is weird, but not cuz the DEA's involved
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: johnm214]
#8088311 - 02/29/08 11:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some of my other posts are just shit cause I have a sleeping disorder and I was bored at like 5 in the morning. This one on the other hand is completely legit. The person who called me was a Narc that knew my mom and my dad and wanted to give me a chance before I got busted. The IDEA/Narcs didn't know he had called me so they though it was just a normal search and seizure.
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fot a cop to get a legit warrant they have to have reliable information, the informant has to have seen the grow and know where it was located, it has to be specified in the affidavit when they're applying for the warrant, obtain a copy of the affidavit and the rest is follow seuss' advice
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8090027 - 03/01/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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not per the us constitution, just has to be more likely than not that the person has commited a crime
there aren't many hard and fast rules regarding warrants and the particular facts needed
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: johnm214]
#8090795 - 03/01/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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there are firmly set rules for obtaining search warrants, judges dont issue them based on hunches.
Edited by Prisoner#1 (03/01/08 09:56 PM)
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fastfred
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8090917 - 03/01/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your link doesn't support your claim P#1. The story is about two courts that stuck to firmly defined rules, but then the supreme court overturned that and basically said "Naw, there's really no rules, you have to examine the 'totality of circumstances' without any real specific rules and basically go on hunches and probabilities."
The probable cause standard is thus quite a nebulous standard and YMMV. Usually they have to have specific and credible evidence that drugs are in your home. Usually they need to know where they are located and the basis for that knowledge. But sometimes they can just go on hunches or pile up a bunch of minor details to make you look bad enough to have probable cause that you're a criminal.
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: fastfred]
#8090957 - 03/01/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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sorry, I'm just browsing shit and caught what appeared to be, I'm installing some stupid shitty flooring that's supposed to snap together and nothing lines up right
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8090996 - 03/01/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: sorry, I'm just browsing shit and caught what appeared to be, I'm installing some stupid shitty flooring that's supposed to snap together and nothing lines up right
tiles or what?
just throw a carpet down, problem solved
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8091011 - 03/01/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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here's the basic rules for obtaining a warrant, of course from the sounds of things he's living with his parents which would lend credence to them not needing much more than the call, of course the rents could have just told them to come on in and search the place with no warrant needed even if they dont live there but the place he lives in in their name
http://jec.unm.edu/training/search_warrants/sw_requi.htm
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Evaluation of Hearsay Evidence If probable cause is based on hearsay, the judge must use a two-part test to evaluate the trustworthiness of the hearsay. Both of the following elements must be established by substantial evidence:
1. "Veracity" of the informer. This means the informer providing the hearsay must be credible. The affidavit must contain sufficient facts indicating the informer is believable or truthful. For example, the affidavit should state the reasons why the informer believes that the seizable items are located in the place to be searched and the reasons why the police officer believes that the informer is reliable. * To satisfy the veracity test, the affidavit must establish that: (a) the informer is a truthful person; (b) the informer has a particular motive to be truthful about the specific allegation (for example, it is against the informer's interest); or (c) the allegations of criminality are sufficiently corroborated. 2. "Basis of knowledge" of the informer. This means that the informer has a factual basis for the information furnished. The affidavit must contain sufficient facts indicating the basis for the informant's knowledge. For example, the affidavit should describe the accused's criminal activity in sufficient detail for the judge to determine that the allegation is something more substantial than casual rumor. * To satisfy the basis of knowledge test, the affidavit must establish that: (a) the informer gathered the information of illegal activity in a reliable fashion; or (b) the informer's information is based on either personal knowledge or on reliable hearsay received by the informer.
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: johnm214]
#8091026 - 03/01/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: just throw a carpet down, problem solved
it's the cheap laminate flooring that looks like wood, I've always hated the shit, carpet is what's coming out because carpet sucks and mom believes it's what's keeping her sick
I tried to convince her to do hardwood but in the eagerness to save a nickel she wanted to go with this, it's a 2 man job at the least and my brother wont pull his nose out of a computer long enough to help
it's aggravating as hell
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8091260 - 03/01/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT USE THIS LINK from the post above...
h**p://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_2_71/ai_83794813
It installs a boatload of spyware, adware, malware, infostealers, and viri!!!
Sorry to take so long to post this, but I just finished cleaning out my system. I left a browser window on this page for maybe 10 minutes and it started loading all sorts of spyware. Symantic antivirus caught most of it, but it still managed to install 4-5 viruses and hijacks.
If you need help with it post here. It loaded some undeletable DLLs in c:\windows, c:\windows\system32, and documents.../all users/aplication data.
I think I finally got my system clean. Major PITA! Running spybot again.
I'm not sure if it's the first, second, or third page in this that loads this shit. Maybe it's one of those random ads. So maybe it won't affect everyone, but don't try it unless you want to test your system protection or spend the next couple hours fighting this shit.
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my experience with the DEA wasn't pleasant at all. I recommend reconsidering your position.
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: kristofer]
#8091290 - 03/01/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Update: Found another "trackware" in C:\Documents and Settings\Admin\Local Settings\Temp\.
This shit sucks ass.
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: fastfred]
#8091418 - 03/01/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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fastfred said: WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT USE THIS LINK from the post above...
h**p://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_2_71/ai_83794813
I'm not sure if it's the first, second, or third page in this that loads this shit. Maybe it's one of those random ads. So maybe it won't affect everyone, but don't try it unless you want to test your system protection or spend the next couple hours fighting this shit.
-FF
apparently that company has some issues w/ adware... they love it
http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showtopic=5962
(never knew this before, actually)
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: johnm214]
#8091701 - 03/01/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: not per the us constitution, just has to be more likely than not that the person has commited a crime
That's true in theory.. but what with the Patriot Act and all.. the us constitution is about as good as toilet paper. They could imprison you for looking funny, if they wanted to.. without a trial.
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fastfred said: WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT USE THIS LINK from the post above...
h**p://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_2_71/ai_83794813
It installs a boatload of spyware, adware, malware, infostealers, and viri!!!
Sorry to take so long to post this, but I just finished cleaning out my system. I left a browser window on this page for maybe 10 minutes and it started loading all sorts of spyware. Symantic antivirus caught most of it, but it still managed to install 4-5 viruses and hijacks.
If you need help with it post here. It loaded some undeletable DLLs in c:\windows, c:\windows\system32, and documents.../all users/aplication data.
I think I finally got my system clean. Major PITA! Running spybot again.
I'm not sure if it's the first, second, or third page in this that loads this shit. Maybe it's one of those random ads. So maybe it won't affect everyone, but don't try it unless you want to test your system protection or spend the next couple hours fighting this shit.
-FF
You, my friend... need Firefox + NoScript + Adblock plugins. I can click on that link fine with no malware . Although I do see about 5 sites being blocked. I'm not really sure how I ever browsed the internet without it. I'd have about a billion trojans by now if I didn't.
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: fastfred]
#8091767 - 03/01/08 09:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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sorry fred, I had no problems from the page, I deleted the original link
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: Shroomism]
#8091791 - 03/01/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: You, my friend... need Firefox + NoScript + Adblock plugins.
I have only firefox and fprot for viruses, I had no issues
again, sorry kids
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johnm214



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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8091851 - 03/01/08 10:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's true in theory.. but what with the Patriot Act and all.. the us constitution is about as good as toilet paper. They could imprison you for looking funny, if they wanted to.. without a trial.
wrong, pretty much
Your unlikely to encounter the patriot act, and it has nothing to do with imprisonment, only evidence gathering.
Patriot act fears are mostly hype. Its a bad law, but won't affect most people.
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Re: Own Mother calls DEA on son [Re: johnm214]
#8092604 - 03/02/08 03:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Unless they are investigating you. In which case the "patriot act" allows them to see what library books you've checked out.
It's real nice for scientists where any of your ILL loan requests for journal papers will show up.
AS far as that page IE6 with symantec antivirus and I got well fucked. Thanks for removing the link. Anyone brave enough can check out the munged link in my post.
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