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coir/coffee w/o lime oops
    #8060583 - 02/23/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Was doing my first attempt at bulk substrate the other day and after I finished It occurred to me that I forgot an important step. A coir/coffee sub can be acidic so lime was supposed to be added. In my rush to make my bulk sub I forgot to ad lime  :whack:

Anyway should I continue with these too casing and into the FC or will they be contam city by the time they make it there and yield no mushrooms worth my trouble?

It's a stupid mistake but as a total noobe to bulk subs and casing I should have thought it through more.


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8060598 - 02/23/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

u meant gypsum riiiight?


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: galadar]
    #8060625 - 02/23/08 02:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

no lime, Gypsum is for ph control lime is to bump the ph up. I would have added gypsum too but I won't get any until march. I'm meaning that the low ph caused by having no PH adjusters in my bulk sub would possibly make a better environment for contams than mushrooms and asking what people know of this.


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8060641 - 02/23/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

don't use lime in your substrates. coir is my substrate of choice and i never lime it, just gypsum.

use lime in your casing layer


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8060647 - 02/23/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

no ned for lime in subs...i dont even use gypsum no more


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: galadar]
    #8060670 - 02/23/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so your saying even with a mixture rate of 20% spent coffee I'm gona be ok?


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8060689 - 02/23/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

y the hell u think its spent -i put a|| mine in a pillowcase and rinse out all coffee till it runs clean...to get rid of extra accidity


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: galadar]
    #8060723 - 02/23/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well that'd be good for later but what's done now is done so do I worry or not?


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8060815 - 02/23/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Spent coffee grounds are PH balanced. No worries.


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8061122 - 02/23/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Like RR says, myc likes some acidity anyway. Because of the acidity, the myc should colonize the sub quickly and contams will be of little concern at that point. You want the casing to have a more alkaline pH because it won't be fully colonized like the sub and therefore is more suceptable to contams.


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: FooMan]
    #8061558 - 02/23/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Correct. Gypsum for substrates, lime and gypsum for casinig layers.
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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8061600 - 02/23/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I thought myc is more attracted to neutral ph and it was contams that liked acidity.


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8061637 - 02/23/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

spent coffee grounds = 6.9 pH


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: itsallnines]
    #8061745 - 02/23/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

oh n/m. I had read a few posts where people argued spent coffee grounds were the same acidity as coffee but that'd put the whole post to rest here. So presuming that is correct that kills the issue.

I mean since I've got 2 people here telling me it's neutral and none of those posters are showing up to say it's acidic here. I'll have to assume it's neutral. Good news for me anyway.


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8062126 - 02/23/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Mushroom mycelium prefers a pH of around 5.5-6.5.

We don't lime casings because the mushroom mycelium 'likes' it. We lime them because contaminant molds 'hate' high pH.
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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8063421 - 02/24/08 06:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Starbucks reports that most of the acidity is removed in the brewing process, leaving used grounds with an average PH of 6.9 and a carbon-nitrogen ration of 20-1.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8043305#8043305


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: JaComet]
    #8063508 - 02/24/08 07:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've used 100% straight coffee grounds for a bulk sub before with about a liter of rye, the colonization time was fairly fast so a P.H buffer defiantly was not needed but when preparing coffee grounds yourself in large quantities you defiantly should take a P.H reading prior to spawning as I am finding out the hard way lol, oh well...

If they've been brewed prior you should be good to go depending on the coffee grounds used, this cheap no name coffee grounds seems to increase the P.H abit to high, the mycelium is taking forever to chew through the bulk tubs my split personality keeps conjuring up when I let him out.


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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: HybridprX]
    #8064387 - 02/24/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: coir/coffee w/o lime oops [Re: Psuper]
    #8064556 - 02/24/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well the CG that I just used were my own organic fair trade good stuff, but I'm about to break into the shit brand stuff from work. If it's diluted with coir should the acidity be a problem? Or is that just from the straight coffee subs your talking about? Anyone know the acidity of spent percolated coffee grounds (they are ground bigger) if it would be different at all? I have seen the prices of ph meters and I've got no inclination to put any more money into this hobby at the moment and if I do it'll be into petri dishes and agar.


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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