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Helpme1
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Reality, Post-Trip
#8060003 - 02/23/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Humans are over-rated, we are just really smart monkeys.
I haven't tripped in a couple weeks, and I've only tripped around 10+ times on mushrooms and LSD. I've found that already I've gone pretty deep into the rabbit hole. Reality is pretty intense, but anyway.
I've found that reality is the most real when I'm tripping and that post trip its like my ego masks who (or what) I really am, which is just a really smart monkey. I found that everyone runs away from the truth and hides in an allegorical shell, perpetuating the lie that life has any sort of meterial meaning. You don't grow and become mature, living life and experiencing things is more like a cataract, we just keep falling faster and faster into societies false conception of reality.
Yet it scares me to think that the reason we respond to such a societal stimuli is because it has been programmed in us, innately, for years. This leads me to believe that either I'm wrong and just completely nuts, or that everyone around me is as impossibly phony as any personality could ever truely be.
I try to be aware of my ego, as a necassary evil. Yet, react and deal with it as best I can.
So have i fryd my brain or way?
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: Helpme1]
#8060065 - 02/23/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seems like you're doing ok to me 
As a human being it's interesting to be just a monkey but also being able to think about what we are or what we are not and what we could be.
This 'programming' is merely human nature I think. All that you can do is trying to be a little more aware than most of the other people around. And if you become a little more aware because of a psychedelic experience that doesn't mean you're either wrong or nuts.
-------------------- "The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenatrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sent iment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself amoung profoundly religious men." -Albert Einstein
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: Floop]
#8061009 - 02/23/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmm. Well, I think it is a fallacy to assume that tripping is showing you anything more "real" or fundamental about reality. You are altering the way your brain works and that's pretty much it.
Tripping can reveal, or more accurately force you to confront things in yourself but not objective fact.
"we just keep falling faster and faster into societies false conception of reality. "
This is a strong a priori statement about reality. How is it false?
"I found that everyone runs away from the truth and hides in an allegorical shell, perpetuating the lie that life has any sort of meterial meaning."
Well, clearly you have come to conclusions that others do not share. What they value has no meaning to you but that doesn't mean that it is meaningless to them. I think you are projecting your hopelessness onto others; you assume that if you feel adrift then so must they and are just in denial.
Not trying to attack you here, just giving my perspective.
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Everyone's view is their own, and everyone's reality is their own.
Each person takes from it what they want, and shapes it the way they see fit.
Sometimes when I am watching television I start thinking "what the fuck am I doing?" and "what the fuck are they doing"?
Who the hell really gives a shit about all those things on television?
And the answer is... a lot of people do, and a lot of people don't.
I do take my experiences on psychedelics seriously, but some don't.
If you have learnt anything, its that no one should be told what to believe in.

Enjoy the trip, and no your not crazy, you just have different thoughts about what the hell is going on on this strange rock.
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: blacksun]
#8061203 - 02/23/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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'So have i fryd my brain or way?'
Way.
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: blacksun]
#8061206 - 02/23/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya dood life is fucking weird like seeing things that arnt really there so bizarre the more i think abuot things the more it weirds me out thats y most people prefer not to think
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: Coaster]
#8061321 - 02/23/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the experience of being a human is quite an interesting one thats for sure.
theres an awful lot to deal with, and a lot to come to understand.
i liked your thoughts, and what you said about humans as monkeys was interesting.
do we perhaps glorify being human? do we see our selves as superior rather than different? how would that serve our structured society?
How would viewing ourselves as another animal inhabitant change the roll of humans in the global ecosystem?
humanity comes with a great mental facility, and the ability to contemplate our own existence. Is this a burden or a gift?
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The ability to self analyse is a strange one.
Gets you into all sorts of nasty paradoxical thoughts.
I think its personal really. Is it a burden or a gift? Well if we didn't have thought and human conciousness, where would we be?
And would being there be a bad or good?
And if its bad or good, is the answer making comparisons to what we have already?
And so on and so forth. Messy messy.
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: blacksun]
#8061490 - 02/23/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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we could follow the Douglas Adams theory everyone lives in their own universe, other people are only protrusions into our universes by other people, and we are protruding into their universes as well
ahh hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, what a wonderful set of books
-------------------- And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast. ----- "And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!" -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life "In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move." -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" "If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna
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Douglas Adams knows what's up
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: SynapseSnap]
#8061546 - 02/23/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Restaurant at the end of the Universe 
I think he twists it up more than he clears things up.
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: blacksun]
#8061571 - 02/23/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe that's all you can really hope for
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: blacksun]
#8061583 - 02/23/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the epic 5-part trillogy!
-------------------- And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast. ----- "And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!" -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life "In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move." -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" "If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna
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How much nicer would my life be if i never ever questioned reality and society, I wonder?
I don't know, but I do know that the happiness I will feel once i finally figure all this shit out will be more than any I would experience were I hidden from the true side of reality. Assuming I ever do of course. Maybe accepting that I can't is the only way I will ever figure it all out.
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: g00ru]
#8063092 - 02/24/08 02:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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guruu said: How much nicer would my life be if i never ever questioned reality and society, I wonder?
I don't know, but I do know that the happiness I will feel once i finally figure all this shit out will be more than any I would experience were I hidden from the true side of reality. Assuming I ever do of course. Maybe accepting that I can't is the only way I will ever figure it all out.
I know the meaning of life, if your interested PM me. I found it by plugging jenkem + DMT thus leading me to a journey into pooperspace where I encountered p00py entities that told me the meaning of life. There is a fee of $200.00 though. Another thing I recommend is plugging your own poop. It's much more of a mental high than the physical high that Jenkem provides.
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For me, and like blacksun said everybody's experience is different, I have a feeling of serenity and calm. I haven't tripped a ton, about 10 times, but all the trips have been good ones. And each time I feel like I have been somewhere both indescribably beautiful and equally dangerous and and made it back, psychically, in one piece...
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: Libertine]
#8063406 - 02/24/08 06:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I feel like we're tripping all the time we just dont realise it, when i meditate and start getting hit with pure bliss, it feels EXACTLY like ive felt when ive been tripping.
Shrooms for me tear away the veil of the impermanent illusion and force me to see the truth, going against this is a bad trip.
You see how everything has a pure harmony and works beautifully together, all there is is peace and awareness and love, if you go against these you suffer greatly.
Life has to be, and is working in harmony to create life like us, theres nothing unatural about it, and whats so great about humans is we can look within and fulfill our potential, as animals fullfill theyre possible potential at theyre stage in evolution. We are not above them if anything theyre doing the best they can, we are not, even though we know we can, that is why humans suffer so much, we are still evolving though...
Potential is limitless, and we humans have great potential if you just look within.
Everything happens ina peaceful harmony as a healing process to return to original oneness, life is part of this healing process, once you are healed you no longer resirtict yourself to life as a causal human being, you become the universe.
This to me is all i need to know as when i feel this is when i let go of all attachment and am truely free.
I no longer feel the need to ask the questions like whats the purpose of life, as purelife is all there is, you cannot question all there is, as it is all there is!!! You cannot question why did orignal oneness feel the need to be as it is quesitioning the nature of all that is, and questioning it is going against the harmony of it!
You have to let go of everything to know everyhting, its that simple.
(i should add these realisations come only when you let go of everything, most of the time we're all attached to hidden agendas, even when tripping, if you let go of everything you see feel and know the truth, i garuntee you this!!!)
The truth shall set you free, and you are the truth, so set yourself free!
Edited by Chronic7 (02/24/08 06:34 AM)
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: Chronic7]
#8063825 - 02/24/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I completely understand where your coming from. The realisation that the moment is the only thing.
NOW
But what are you going to do?
Go sit in a closed cuboid with no light and just a bit of food?
Or get on with the life that is given to you?
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: blacksun]
#8064216 - 02/24/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The ego isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just starts to get bad if you have a mind about it.
After all... if your notion of ego didn't exist at all, then one would have no desire to live.
Don't worry, early on, I was very conflicted about the whole ego thing... since it appears like such a bad thing. Some people are fake, yes, but it wouldn't be fair to say that they're all fake and you're not (I'm not saying that you're saying that, but it could come up).
We have to believe that everyone is genuine to some point (if you want to live in an optimistic reality, anyway)
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reeferaddict69 said:
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guruu said: How much nicer would my life be if i never ever questioned reality and society, I wonder?
I don't know, but I do know that the happiness I will feel once i finally figure all this shit out will be more than any I would experience were I hidden from the true side of reality. Assuming I ever do of course. Maybe accepting that I can't is the only way I will ever figure it all out.
I know the meaning of life, if your interested PM me. I found it by plugging jenkem + DMT thus leading me to a journey into pooperspace where I encountered p00py entities that told me the meaning of life. There is a fee of $200.00 though. Another thing I recommend is plugging your own poop. It's much more of a mental high than the physical high that Jenkem provides.
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: Chronic7]
#8065088 - 02/24/08 04:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: I feel like we're tripping all the time we just dont realise it, when i meditate and start getting hit with pure bliss, it feels EXACTLY like ive felt when ive been tripping.
Shrooms for me tear away the veil of the impermanent illusion and force me to see the truth, going against this is a bad trip.
You see how everything has a pure harmony and works beautifully together, all there is is peace and awareness and love, if you go against these you suffer greatly.
Life has to be, and is working in harmony to create life like us, theres nothing unatural about it, and whats so great about humans is we can look within and fulfill our potential, as animals fullfill theyre possible potential at theyre stage in evolution. We are not above them if anything theyre doing the best they can, we are not, even though we know we can, that is why humans suffer so much, we are still evolving though...
Potential is limitless, and we humans have great potential if you just look within.
Everything happens ina peaceful harmony as a healing process to return to original oneness, life is part of this healing process, once you are healed you no longer resirtict yourself to life as a causal human being, you become the universe.
This to me is all i need to know as when i feel this is when i let go of all attachment and am truely free.
I no longer feel the need to ask the questions like whats the purpose of life, as purelife is all there is, you cannot question all there is, as it is all there is!!! You cannot question why did orignal oneness feel the need to be as it is quesitioning the nature of all that is, and questioning it is going against the harmony of it!
You have to let go of everything to know everyhting, its that simple.
(i should add these realisations come only when you let go of everything, most of the time we're all attached to hidden agendas, even when tripping, if you let go of everything you see feel and know the truth, i garuntee you this!!!)
The truth shall set you free, and you are the truth, so set yourself free!
Amen!
Truth we Are
-------------------- "The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenatrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sent iment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself amoung profoundly religious men." -Albert Einstein
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Re: Reality, Post-Trip [Re: Helpme1]
#8065143 - 02/24/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Helpme1 said: Humans are over-rated, we are just really smart monkeys.
I haven't tripped in a couple weeks, and I've only tripped around 10+ times on mushrooms and LSD. I've found that already I've gone pretty deep into the rabbit hole. Reality is pretty intense, but anyway.
I've found that reality is the most real when I'm tripping and that post trip its like my ego masks who (or what) I really am, which is just a really smart monkey. I found that everyone runs away from the truth and hides in an allegorical shell, perpetuating the lie that life has any sort of meterial meaning. You don't grow and become mature, living life and experiencing things is more like a cataract, we just keep falling faster and faster into societies false conception of reality.
Yet it scares me to think that the reason we respond to such a societal stimuli is because it has been programmed in us, innately, for years. This leads me to believe that either I'm wrong and just completely nuts, or that everyone around me is as impossibly phony as any personality could ever truely be.
I try to be aware of my ego, as a necassary evil. Yet, react and deal with it as best I can.
So have i fryd my brain or way?
I completely agree with all of that. Reality is extremely intense, and psychedelics really tend to bring out that fact. Though, lately, it's been showing itself to me in everyday life.
I'm not sure how I feel about society and the human condition. It scares me and makes me uncomfortable sometimes. Life is a fucking crazy trip.
The life you live can seem so pointless when you look back 1000 years and see how everything was so completely different than it is now. Is it better or worse? I don't know. Probably neither.
Either way, we're strapped in for the ride, and may as well make the best we can out of the situation (life) that we're in.
I suppose the best way to deal with reality is optimism. There's no point trying to figure it all out or analyze it (though I am guilty of doing this 100% of the time).
No, you have not fried your brain =0)
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