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Help - post first-time mushroom feelings
    #8059440 - 02/23/08 07:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey all - kinda long post ahead...

Short story - went to Amsterdam at end of January, did shrooms, Mexicans, with 2 other mates
One has done em before, me and other guy hadnt

Unfortunately, although the guy in the shop said DONT SMOKE ANY CANNABIS - I ended up doing so

First couple of hours was immense - sounds being colour etc, bed felt like a waterbed, reflection in the mirror going from angry to evil to older to younger... all awesome, best experience of my life.

Then thought I was going to be sick, ended up face down on the bathroom floor for over hour and a half, thinking I was going insane. Such a bad feeling, couldnt get back to reality, couldnt get back to my own ego, thought it was never going to end, became VERY conscious of my thoughts.

Since then, Ive had the feeling 4 or 5 times, where ill be doing something, and then ill realise that im conscious of what ive been thinking, then ill realise that im thinking about it too much, and it freaks me out a bit.

Ive only had 3 or 4 small joints since then, im not a big smoker of it anyway, never ever had this kind of feeling before I went. And its not solely after smoking, its been pretty random when its happened. Have no history of depression or mental problems or anything.

Basically im wondering is it due to a combination of my first time & smoking cannabis when told not to, and will this weird conscious-of-my-thoughts thing continue?

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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: steh30]
    #8059474 - 02/23/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I doubt it has anything to do with the combination of the cannabis.

More so to do with the fact that it was your first experience, and sounds like it was a good proper first experience as well.

It can take a while to FULLY understand why it happened.
Did you have a bad trip, any prominent ideas or thoughts during that part of the trip?


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: blacksun]
    #8059477 - 02/23/08 07:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The guy in the shop advised not to smoke cannabis because it can make the effects of the shrooms stronger, seeming as weed in Amsterdam is quite strong on its own... then that would have notched up the effects of the mushrooms to a different level.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: steh30]
    #8059481 - 02/23/08 07:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How much weight have you been eatin?Your probably need to start with 1 or 2 dry grams,and get your body used to the feelin.I get the same way when I eat 5 or more grams.Its like it brakes your body down then builds you back up.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: blacksun]
    #8059507 - 02/23/08 08:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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blacksun said:
I doubt it has anything to do with the combination of the cannabis.

More so to do with the fact that it was your first experience, and sounds like it was a good proper first experience as well.

It can take a while to FULLY understand why it happened.
Did you have a bad trip, any prominent ideas or thoughts during that part of the trip?




Cheers for the quick replies.

Yeah the first part of it was amazing, couldnt recommend it highly enough to anyone, just unbelieveably happy, awesome. But the downside was like nothing else.

I was picturing my street from overhead like a monopoly board, and then a weird random name would come into my head, id assign that to someone who i knew from school or various people, then assign them a monopoly style square. Sounds weird but thats bout the best way I can describe it.

Other than that, it felt like i was seeing myself from outside, analysing my persona etc. I wa trying to see myself doing everyday tasks, being with certain people, so that I could associate with real-life and get back to normal, but it was the worst experience ever.

Ive read the FAQs about stuck in a loop, increeased anxiety etc, so I understand why it happened. And also we didnt have a sober person with us, so noone to pull me out of it, which i will definately make sure of if/when theres a next time.

The main thing im concerned about, is the odd feeling ive had a few times since. It makes me feel very uncomfortable, not as bad as the bathroom floor but same kind of feeling, and then i feel me telling myself to snap out of it, but it takes a while.

Im kinda living on my own at the minute which I havent for a while, and have a lot more time to myself, which is maybe another reason why its happening.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: Huckleberry]
    #8059510 - 02/23/08 08:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I had about 5 medium sized shrooms, dont know what the weight works out as! Think we bought 2 boxes between 3 of us.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: Huckleberry]
    #8059514 - 02/23/08 08:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Just stop fighting this feeling its only a problem because you perceive it as such. This is what entheogens do, they are not about cool visuals they are about expanding consciousness. it sounds to me you did mushrooms for the wrong reason, as did I my first time but except this as a gift and try to use it to your advantage to better understand your self.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8059524 - 02/23/08 08:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Havent got a clue what you're on about ^^^ ?

I dont see whats a "gift" about feeling uncomfortable and wanting the feeling to stop?


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: steh30]
    #8059530 - 02/23/08 08:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thats the problem. Your fighting this shift in conciousness. I dont know why you took these shrooms but if you really cant apreciate being more aware of your self than i would suggest that you learn your lesson and stay away from hallucinagens because this feeling will almost definantly intensify if you continue to use them especially shrooms.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8059564 - 02/23/08 08:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, but rather than trying to belittle me, or talk down to me and say I shouldnt be doing it, can you shed some light on my other question?

Is it down to a combo of first time, not having anyone sober with me to snap me out of it, and smoking weed?

And will the awkward feeling last, is it due to being on my own more, not having someone else to talk to about it, and having more time to think about things, including myself?

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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: steh30]
    #8059593 - 02/23/08 08:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

no it has nothing to do with the combo of cannibis. It does have to do with you being alone(my favorite way to use entheogens) this will result in some pretty heavy introspection and result in getting lost inside your own head.

And i dont think i was belittleing I was giving you a warning, hallucinagens are not for everyone. Im sorry if i came across as condesending.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8059604 - 02/23/08 09:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Fair play it just seemed like a flame, cheers for replying.

I didnt take them on my own, I only took shrooms just once, with 2 other people, over two months ago. I was on my own on the bathroom floor, as all 3 of us had a bad downer, they 2 on their beds, and me in the bathroom.

Although they had different thoughts, the main feeling was confusion, stuck in a loop, not being able to get back to reality, wondering how long the feeling would last etc.

Its only since then, when ive been going about my normal day, that I just get this weird feeling every now and then. I came here as it was the best site that Google came up with, and thought asking people who've been there and done that would be best to advise me on why its happening, and if its likely to continue?


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: steh30]
    #8059606 - 02/23/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

steh,Your first mistake was not weighing it.You should never just take a bunch of shrooms,But you learn from your mistakes.Next time like I said weigh out a gram or two dry,or 20 or 30 grams fresh.a small dose will normally give you a nice comfortable, relaxed,mental state with the physical effects being sorta tingly and being a upper.read up on the levels of tripping.when you get higher up in weight, the skys the limit.theres no tellin how youll feel.It is normal to feel paranoid at first,probably the first 1/2 hour or so,then youll have fun(laughing and such),then as you get closer to peaking,youll start calming down,and either go into a euphoric state,or a very paranoid feeling like youv lost controll,or like your dying( but you know your not)but enevetably as you start coming down you start sorta understanding what happend.its a learning experiance every time.So to answer your question,the weed contributed to the experiance,but you probably just ate to much.I hope that answers your question.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: Huckleberry]
    #8059622 - 02/23/08 09:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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steh,Your first mistake was not weighing it.You should never just take a bunch of shrooms,But you learn from your mistakes.Next time like I said weigh out a gram or two dry,or 20 or 30 grams fresh.a small dose will normally give you a nice comfortable, relaxed,mental state with the physical effects being sorta tingly and being a upper.read up on the levels of tripping.when you get higher up in weight, the skys the limit.theres no tellin how youll feel.It is normal to feel paranoid at first,probably the first 1/2 hour or so,then youll have fun(laughing and such),then as you get closer to peaking,youll start calming down,and either go into a euphoric state,or a very paranoid feeling like youv lost controll,or like your dying( but you know your not)but enevetably as you start coming down you start sorta understanding what happend.its a learning experiance every time.So to answer your question,the weed contributed to the experiance,but you probably just ate to much.I hope that answers your question.




Yeah thats pretty much what happened, after the awesome first part. So it this weird recognition of my thoughts every now and then normal, and is it likely to go on?

My flat can be pretty weird at night, very echoey and when its bad weather etc, and when the feeling happens and im in bed, it freaks me out pretty bad.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: steh30]
    #8059638 - 02/23/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well I reflect on my experiances now and then but I dont really have flashbacks or relive that lost feeling.I you werent ready for such a heavy experiance.If you want to keep on doing them then you need to beat that fear and do them again but do 1 gram or 1 1/2 grams to get comfortable,and do them with someone you completely trust(so your comfortable)I think that will possibly get you over it....But I could be wrong.then as you "mature"as a shroomer,youll figure out settings,and people that make you comfortable.Like me I have my best experiances at night by a fire.When im stuck inside I get very closterphobic and trapped.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: Huckleberry]
    #8059659 - 02/23/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well yeah -

1 - I was in Amsterdam rather than being at home
2 - my first time
3 - took too much
4 - smoked cannabis when told not to

I do intend on doing it again, to face the demons as it were, so i feel comfortable with it knowing that im not going insane. But as you say, less shrooms, and with Major Tom to help me out if/when i go downhill


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: steh30]
    #8059770 - 02/23/08 10:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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So it this weird recognition of my thoughts every now and then normal, and is it likely to go on?




I know EXACTLY what you are talking about.. Ive never had a 'bad' experience with shrooms, ive had parts of trips that scare me but ive soon overcome them. Shortly after i done shrooms for the third time (that was the hardest ive tripped) i started getting exactly the same thoughts that you were describing (especially when i was by myself) , when it first happend i kept getting slightly freaked out but after a while you become used to it.

Shrooms expand your mind... for longer than the duration of the trip. Ive noticed a few things in the way i think and how my mind works since tripping and its much better when you look at it as a good thing NOT a bad thing :thumbup:


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: Tomo]
    #8059863 - 02/23/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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So it this weird recognition of my thoughts every now and then normal, and is it likely to go on?




I know EXACTLY what you are talking about.. Ive never had a 'bad' experience with shrooms, ive had parts of trips that scare me but ive soon overcome them. Shortly after i done shrooms for the third time (that was the hardest ive tripped) i started getting exactly the same thoughts that you were describing (especially when i was by myself) , when it first happend i kept getting slightly freaked out but after a while you become used to it.

Shrooms expand your mind... for longer than the duration of the trip. Ive noticed a few things in the way i think and how my mind works since tripping and its much better when you look at it as a good thing NOT a bad thing :thumbup:




Bingo - glad someone else feeling it too. Well not glad but you know what i mean!

The other day, was in bed reading. It was mad windy and raining outside, and there was a dog howling like the noise off horror films or on Resident Evil style, and I got this feeling of being conscious about thinking about what id been reading, and then i thought why am i thinking bout this, then i thought why wont it go away, was unsettling to say the least. Couldnt shake it off, plus the atmosphere in the flat just felt really weird.

And, ive only had this kinda feeling since the shrooms. I see what perople are saying though, its not just colours and laughing and then everythings back to normal, it changes your perception on things, your outlook etc. But I still dont like that split-second moment when it happens, and then im thinking bout it for like 10-15mins.

So do I need to look at it as in its good that I recgonise what im thinkking and feeling at a particular moment? Can see the logic but thats gonna be hard. Maybe half the thing thats freaking me out is BECAUSE ive never had it before?


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: steh30]
    #8059894 - 02/23/08 11:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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steh30 said:
Well yeah -

1 - I was in Amsterdam rather than being at home
2 - my first time
3 - took too much
4 - smoked cannabis when told not to

I do intend on doing it again, to face the demons as it were, so i feel comfortable with it knowing that im not going insane. But as you say, less shrooms, and with Major Tom to help me out if/when i go downhill



I respect that you have fight in you. Just dont try to control the experience especially with shrooms they are very confusing at higher doses. just let go.

Dont take more than 3 grams next time you should have a more enjoyable experience, less is more unless you just looking to get fucked up.

Good luck.


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Re: Help - post first-time mushroom feelings [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8059963 - 02/23/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Can see the logic but thats gonna be hard. Maybe half the thing thats freaking me out is BECAUSE ive never had it before?




Ye, you will get used to it after a while. To be honest, I dont think there are any limits on what you can learn from taking shrooms. I always learn something from each time i trip, normally it wnt be straight away but maybe a few days, weeks or even a month later. thats probably why everyone says its best not to dose on shrooms every week.  personally i leave at least a couple months between everytime i trip.

I would say that the reason your getting slightly paranoid sometimes when this happens is because it hasnt happend to you before and your noticing that your mind is working in a different way than it was before.

give it some time and you will become used to it and probably see that its a good thing not a bad thing.

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