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C20H25N3O
Calico Kahlia


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My First Attempt at a monotub, UPDATE (3/21; morePics)
#8057852 - 02/22/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Update 3/21 Just added some pics, jars have progressed nicely, I shook them monday night.
Update 3/15 I added some pictures of my jars after 5 and 6 days. and a picture of a 17gal Monotub on top of a 21 gallon monotub as someone asked. I have a few questions scattered throughout and would greatly appreciate any feedback on my first grow. Thanks. (pictures at end of thread || my gallery)
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This is a draft, I will update it shortly with more information. Right now I want to get whats going on in my head down and get some feedback on my methods. I wont go into too much detail on certain aspects where I don't deviate from the tek, but on others I will be more detailed.
Let me start by saying this is my first grow. I've read about this for years, and have always been a lurker in this forum. Its time to put my ass to the wheel and give it a go. I understand I may be a little too ambitious, but overall I think a monotub is the method I want to use and see no point on starting with the PF tek which I've read dozens of times over the years. if I fail, I fail, and try again. I hope for large harvests as I only have a short while to experiment easily with this sort of thing and hope to have a nice amount to get me by the next few years.
To start, I will have 4 strains to chose from. Amazon, Brazilian, Ecuador, and Cambodian. I am choosing to use probably the Amazon and either the brazilian or ecuador as my first two trys. I will be doing two monotubs staggered to allow for any errors or new ideas. I currently keep my heat at about 60 and the temperature is about 66 considering I am in the top floor of a 3 floor building, but spring is coming and my heat will be going up when this experiment starts. So I don't think temperature will be a probably. I will build an incubator out two rubber maids and a fish tank heater and set it to about 80.
For spawn I will be following Doc's WBS tek to a T and don't think much of a discussion past people's opinions on it here are needed. How much of a pain in the ass is removing all those black sunflower seeds going to be?
Next, I am planing to construct the monotub, I will add more detail and pictures on this later. I've been to a few walmarts and haven't really liked the rubbermaids they have available, but I will probably be going back later this weekend (snowed in) and just get them. I'll post and update then, where I will probably need help figuring out the ratio of substrate to spawn I will need depending on the Tub size. I have a reasonable Idea, but I will run it by the shroomery for reassurance.
Then, I will be using Oatman2000's tek for spwaning to straight Coco Coir. I plan to modify it. Currently I am thinking to heat distiled water to 150-60 and add 7.5ph regulator to it. will probably be doing something similar to monstermitch . Using multiple Coirs, and add some Blood meal (if I can find it, I'm having trouble locating it at stores--haven't looked hard enough yet). I would definitely be interested in hearing peoples opinions on this as a lot of people seem to like to add Hydrate lime and/or gypsum. I'm trying to minimize everything, and keep costs down. My problem will be figuring out the ratio of Coir to blood meal. The ratio 1 tablespoon to 10 cups is mentioned, but I don't know yet for the life of me how I will figure out 10 cups. I guess just use a glass measuring cup like I would for baking. I assume an easier way exists?
Lastly, I will case. this is where I'm running into the most trouble. I have the most time so I'm not terribly worried. I am leaning towards the 50/50 casing tek. Maybe the 50/50+. I've also looked at monstermitch's method.
I just haven't looked for agricultural hydrated lime or curshed oyster shell yet. I was really close to starting this project in the fall and didn't see either in looking then, but I postponed it due to the fact that I was getting laid to much to find the needed time. Frankly, I think it was a worthy reason to postpone it. My point, maybe I would have more luck now that spring is right around the corner. Monstermitch has Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth which I've never even herd of before a few weeks ago, and I don't know about ordering that online.
I will be fruiting in a closet. I will have properly 2 fans (at least one), will be keeping the monotubs a few feet off the ground, and will be shopping for a fluorescent light shortly.
Assuming I haven't missed a big step in the middle somewhere I feel like I'm ready to get my hands dirty and learn by trial and error. I'll have some more updates shortly, and thought I'd get what is in my mind down, get some feedback, and have place to reference my ideas. This yellow legal pad is getting very disorganized with notes and bookmarks. ...pictures coming soon.
Edited by C20H25N3O (03/20/08 11:36 PM)
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C20H25N3O
Calico Kahlia


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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8058628 - 02/22/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm thinking instead of Coir and Blood meal maybe 80% Coco Coir and 20% spent coffee grounds. Assuming the local coffee shops don't mind parting.
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C20H25N3O
Calico Kahlia


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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8082636 - 02/28/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I thought I'd give an update simply because I'm really excited. I found 17gal Stack'n View's at my local ACE hardware. I've been all over looking for them. I've traveled a lot the past few weeks and have looked all over only to find them in my own backyard.
I'm still leaning towards the 80/20 coco coir and coffee grounds as a bulk substrate and would love any feedback. I sent out my money order to ralphsters a week ago tomorrow. I hope they arrive tomorrow as I want to get some jars set up this weekend.
I haven't received any feedback yet, but thats probably because there is either nothing physically manifested yet, or because there is too much content. Either way, I intended to keep this updated with pictures when things start to happen.
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C20H25N3O
Calico Kahlia


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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8148212 - 03/15/08 01:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not much to update, but I wanted to add some pictures. I feel like a little kid on Christmas--this being my first attempt. My jars have just started showing some growth after 5 and 6 days (two batches). Oddly enough the jars done 5 days ago are showing the most growth. bottom row of the amazonians. I have noticed a hair inside a jar of one of my brasilians. Its worrying, but so far so good. I think. I am having trouble differentiating between cobweb and healthy mycelieum growth. But I think I'm just being anxious. take a look at the pictures and let me know what you all think.

 (amazon day 5, below)

I am planning on taking that quart jar of Amazonian and doing a G2G on a few jars. I wonder how many that would work with. Anyone care to guess? I still need to read up on that a bit more.
Lastly, I am including a picture of a 17gal and a 21gallon monotub encase someone wants to see them side by side. Forgive my sloopy taping skills.

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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8148231 - 03/15/08 01:14 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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~Good luck! Nice close-up pics. That pube of yours floatin' in your jar will make your mushrooms, like, way more potent. Hope your grow goes awesome. ~Pixie~
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Mana
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8148241 - 03/15/08 01:16 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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C20H25N3O said: I am planning on taking that quart jar of Amazonian and doing a G2G on a few jars. I wonder how many that would work with. Anyone care to guess?
My guess is you will do G2G to 10 new jars and within 2 weeks use those 10 to hit up 100, and within 2 weeks make 1000 (you're going to be busy). Hope you have enough jars on hand a few more tubs and a big fruiting chamber.
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8148252 - 03/15/08 01:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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C20H25N3O said: I still need to read up on that a bit more.
Be sure to research senescence while you read about G2G. It's important but not mentioned in a lot of threads about how to do G2G.
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C20H25N3O
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: Mana]
#8148254 - 03/15/08 01:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback!
well I do have one more 21 gallon tub. A local ace has them for 8.99 right now, but I really only plan to do one or two generations for G2G I hear after that success rate drops dramatically.
PS. that is too long to be one of my pubes....unless it has come from my ass
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Edited by C20H25N3O (03/15/08 01:23 AM)
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: Mana]
#8148258 - 03/15/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good luck, i see all is great there looks very professional!
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C20H25N3O
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: dstark]
#8149496 - 03/15/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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dstark said: Good luck, i see all is great there looks very professional!
Thanks
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: Mana]
#8149543 - 03/15/08 01:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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ive read pushing g2g out to a third and fourth generation is kinda risky. myc slows down and fruits become weak. just something to think about. looks kickass tho.
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: nalyudi]
#8151084 - 03/15/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good Luck, everthing looks good. Practice makes perfect!
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C20H25N3O
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: Rickster]
#8152031 - 03/16/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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This has turned into my unofficial grow log. I was going to let things go and not disturb it until late Monday or tuesday when I planned to shake things. But due to my post in the contamination forum I was a little worried. So I opened it up to take more pictures. I'll add them to this thread, but I think I'm okay. Either that, or I'm going to lose all my jars. But, I think probably everyone thought they had cobweb on their first grow. Btw, my temperatures have been 75 degrees with ~50% humidity.

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C20H25N3O
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8174337 - 03/20/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, I probably wont get anything done until sunday night, and probably wont get to g2g the 1qt jar until maybe monday. The amazons have grown much quicker than the brasilians. Which is interesting, as the amazons jars were knocked up a day later than the brasilians.
I am correct in thinking these jars are about 90% right. With the brasilians being about 12-18hours behind. Also they all look healthy right? I have spent too much time having that first attempt worries where I wonder if everything is contaminated. But either all these jars currently have cobweb, or all are currently healthy.
Brasilians Day 12




Amazons Day 11




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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8175023 - 03/21/08 07:20 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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ahoahoohaohaoh lovely jubblie
gonna give them another week or so to digest, then fruit, or spawn to bulk?
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Re: My First Attempt at a monotub, A Draft [Re: shoeareyou]
#8175657 - 03/21/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looking good! Nice close up pictures, i wonder how that hair got in there.
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