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Moonshoe
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"What activity exactly? "
Read my first response in this thread if you want an answer to this question.
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Edited by Moonshoe (02/22/08 09:59 PM)
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NiamhNyx
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Like I said before, I'd love to link you to articles, but you gotta pay for that shit. I have access to JSTOR and other academic databases through school. If you wanna get an account I'd be happy to share.
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AlteredAgain
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8058724 - 02/22/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you have to pay for the articles themselves or just for full-time access?
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NiamhNyx
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#8058748 - 02/22/08 10:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You have to pay for the articles themselves, unfortunately. Although some public library systems provide access to academic databases for thier patrons. You just have to log in with your library account, through the library's website.
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AlteredAgain
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8058757 - 02/22/08 11:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oi, the price of reliable knowledge these days.
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Notendo
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#8058787 - 02/22/08 11:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok woah woah woah everybody slow down.
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AlteredAgain
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: Notendo]
#8058790 - 02/22/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why not walk faster?
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Taharka
The Root of the Problem

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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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The cultures that have such an office are obviously happy with it.
And our society is seemingly happy with psychic readers and astrologers. So what? I will continue to point out nonsense.
Well, then go ahead, continue to point it out. That won't stop the astrologers and psychic readers from making money off of the people that do believe in them.
Shamanism, like astrology, like Christianity, makes claims about the metaphysical that (if they are true) can't be confirmed by science. I'm not talking about testing for the efficacy of prayer. But science will never tell us if there is a metaphysical realm or not.
You can talk until you're blue in the face telling these people that their beliefs are a delusion. Only, since they're perfectly happy with believing what they do, they will only tone you out.
And besides. You don't have to believe in shamanism, and it is a part of their culture. If you were railing against the inquisition I would understand. But some indigenous shaman in the Amazon, even if he doesn't have healing powers, isn't really harming you. Don't be so ethnocentric. Let them believe what they want.
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Icelander
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: Taharka]
#8059682 - 02/23/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is a debate forum. Are you asking us not to debate?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: Taharka]
#8059698 - 02/23/08 09:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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But some indigenous shaman in the Amazon, even if he doesn't have healing powers, isn't really harming you. Don't be so ethnocentric. Let them believe what they want.
Does the Amazonian shaman have DSL and a 'puter? If he does, he might learn something. If not, then he doesn't even know he is being discussed.
Please list what topics are valid for discussion here wherein no one will be offended nor rigid about a certain belief.
TIA
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Huehuecoyotl
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Yeah, Orgone, all of the shaman in the rain forest have hurt feelings now. All because of you. They'll be crying themselves to sleep tonight...
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#8059831 - 02/23/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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..and as an amateur neo-shaman I am personally quite offended. I may even write my congressman about shaman rights.
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Edited by Huehuecoyotl (02/23/08 10:54 AM)
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#8059872 - 02/23/08 10:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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A true shaman takes offense very easily.
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Huehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly


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Everyone knows that self importance is the enemy of a man of knowledge...
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Taharka
The Root of the Problem

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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: Icelander]
#8060336 - 02/23/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I only meant that it was pointless for Orgone to say that shamanism was pointless.
As NiamhNyx said, "What good is any activity humans could engage in that goes beyond the bare requisites for survival?"
I'm willing to concede that shamanism is pointless from the Western point of view much like astrology and palm reading. Maybe if you replaced all of the indegenous shamans with a manual for the "proper" use of entheogens, the people would be just as well off. But the people want their shamans. What's the point of saying that shamanism is pointless?
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Icelander
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: Taharka]
#8060346 - 02/23/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I believe the original posters reference was to the reverence and unproven claims that westerners make regarding the abilities of shamans.
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Gretchenmeister
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: Taharka]
#8062258 - 02/23/08 08:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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THEY THEY THEY...don't do...but can help you figure out how to do for yourself..since the divine knowledge or healing can only be done from within and by ones self, for ones self...thru ones own faith...not the faith of the healer or shaman. Who showed the shaman the way? Aho
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backfromthedead
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'What's wrong with folks?'
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Archemetis
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i get the impression that shamanism is being disscused here by people with strong opinions with nothing to back them on. by that i mean, have you ever personally known a indiginous shaman, heard him speak, seen his work? you can say he's valid, or you can say he's pointless, but if you havent met him, its all based on what you've heard or read about.
from what iv seen, i think shamanism is far from pointless. besides all the specific shamanistic practices, a shaman is one who comes to the world through their heart. that kind of human being is very valuable to this world.
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RonaldFuckingPaul
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Re: What good is shamanism? [Re: Archemetis]
#8067247 - 02/25/08 12:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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was a nigga ass shaman. I saw him while I was high after smokin' a bl33zy of nigga ass Sally D.
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