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seevoid
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you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate
#8056522 - 02/22/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you have to master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals before you should be allowed drugs
dont wimp out on me here
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8056553 - 02/22/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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drugs are my meditation
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid] 1
#8056558 - 02/22/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I disagree. Many people try psychedelics before ever seriously practicing meditation, and are able to handle the insights they gain. Not only that, but a lot of serious practitioners of meditation, and a lot of Western Dharma teachers, gained their first glimpses of awakening through psychedelic use.
IMO starting a proposition like this with "you shouldn't be allowed" is elitist and just one step down from the fear-based prohibitionist policies of the United States.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Lion]
#8056570 - 02/22/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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that, and historically, various indigenous tribes/groups from various countries ingested drugs before entering what arguably may be called meditation.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Kanker]
#8056578 - 02/22/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Noooo.. Psychedelics TAUGHT me how to meditate.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: PyroBurns] 1
#8056587 - 02/22/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thats a very rigid way of looking at things. Psychedelics usually lead to meditation and vice versa, both are very complimentray.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Kanker]
#8056588 - 02/22/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You sound too elitist to be somebody who "can master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals."
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: alaricxi]
#8056598 - 02/22/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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alaricxi said: You sound too elitist to be somebody who "can master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals."
indeed, just because you meditate doesn't make you any more enlightened than me or any other non-meditaters. you should eat more psychedelics w/o meditating, see what its like to not have a clear head and having a bad trip. bad trips are probably more enlightening than meditating.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: smokeybear] 1
#8056635 - 02/22/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dude you're an ass, this elitist bullshit isn't what psychedelics are about.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: smokeybear]
#8056640 - 02/22/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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a psychological assessment should be given to those who want psychedeilics and then dispensed from drug stores/pharmacies to those with a liscense
during psychogical testing meditation would be taught and if they didnt pass these tests meditation would bring a mindset that would eventually pass tests and then all win and all take psychedelics
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8056668 - 02/22/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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how about people should be responsible for their own choice, and what ever consequences come from them. You can never be 100% ready for psychedelics anyways, and theres freely available information about every drug on the internet's so just let people be responsible for their own decisions, its a radical concept i know.
look dude, its cool that you think psychedelics are special cause they are, but your idea is just stupid.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: doitagain]
#8056693 - 02/22/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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haha. first post: had my suspicions. license post: now i just know that the thread was created merely for the purpose of stirring shit up.
withdraw interest and bury this thread
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: EarthboundBob]
#8056899 - 02/22/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You could be the best person at meditation ever and still freak out easily on psychedelics your first time. It's not just controlling your thoughts, it's knowing when not to try to control your thoughts that can help you handle acid and shrooms (IME)
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8056955 - 02/22/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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seevoid said: you have to master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals before you should be allowed drugs
dont wimp out on me here
You have to master english and refrain from using 'you (understood) clauses' when chiding internet forum users' use of psychidelics.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Kanker]
#8056985 - 02/22/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kanker said: haha. first post: had my suspicions. license post: now i just know that the thread was created merely for the purpose of stirring shit up.
withdraw interest and bury this thread
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: sky]
#8057005 - 02/22/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well thats just ironic
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8057174 - 02/22/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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seevoid said: you have to master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals before you should be allowed drugs
dont wimp out on me here
Fuck you. I like meditation, I like drugs. Having someone say "You can't enjoy yourself until you do this" Is just utter bollocks. It's a lot easier to get ahold of drugs than it is to master meditation, which, if you're someone like me and have a loud mind, is very difficult.
Sometimes I'm stressed out, I just want to skin up and get blazed. Meditation when I'm stressed out just is not going to happen.
Man, this thread has got me pissed off. FAIL.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8057221 - 02/22/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah, it sounds like he is claiming to be a master of meditation. maybe if your mind is quiet you can do that, but i totally agree with visionary. i think a lot, from the time i wake up to the time i go to sleep. the closest thing to meditation i have found is dancing, thats the only time my mind is quiet and i love that more than anything.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: smokeybear]
#8057270 - 02/22/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well, when you meditate it induces your mind to operate at alpha frequencies, same as dreaming (i think), which is a relaxed state of being, which would more likely make one have a good trip.
other than that i think people should make their own choices, whether they want a good trip or bad is not up to me. although it would be nice to educate the ignorant.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8057303 - 02/22/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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without meditation training one would just take mushrooms and watch the matrix and say wow
this is not like taking psychedelics to become one with nature and the creator
people must train the mind to make use out of the psychedelic experience
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8057324 - 02/22/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you must first shut the hell up with all this elitist tripper crap, in order to be liked on the shroomery.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8057448 - 02/22/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have found yoga and meditation both indispensible in life I think that the psychedelic treat is more attractive to me than to my peers (age 56) there may or may not be a relationship. I wish I could share more of the experience, the barrier is not meditation, but maybe it makes me want to share more or maybe it makes the candy sweeter?
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8057545 - 02/22/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well personally, i learned the art of meditation before i tried any drugs, and i had learned how to stimulate the release of endorphins conciously... its a very useful tool
i think its a really good idea to master meditation before trying psychedelics, it certainly should not be "required" cause that kind of ignorant statement turns people off, so they call you an idiot, like those above me
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8057606 - 02/22/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You shouldent be able to make up stupid rules and push your agenda on others.
How bout that one.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: awesomebastard]
#8057619 - 02/22/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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uh... i never said it should be required, so why don't you respond to the right person.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8057631 - 02/22/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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KrishnaDreamer said: uh... i never said it should be required, so why don't you respond to the right person.
Lol I have apsolutly no idea why that was a response to you it was to the OP
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: awesomebastard]
#8057665 - 02/22/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i just didnt get through the entire thread so i clicked the nearest reply button
it happened to be yours
the world doesnt center around you, dude
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: awesomebastard]
#8057729 - 02/22/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's ok
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8058052 - 02/22/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree with just about everybody in here except the original poster, lol.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8059371 - 02/23/08 05:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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KrishnaDreamer said: well, when you meditate it induces your mind to operate at alpha frequencies, same as dreaming (i think), which is a relaxed state of being, which would more likely make one have a good trip.
FTR, Alpha brain waves = fully alert, Theta waves = dreaming.
It's the way the brain combines and moves between wavelengths that determines consciousness, not the wavelengths themselves.
Someone tripping will have high Alpha and low Theta waves in different parts of the brain at the same time.
I've found meditation to be a way of achieving similar states of awareness as tripping, only autonomously and much more clear and coherent.
Meditation is not a way of gaining control over thought, but a way of reducing thought's control, imo.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Middleman]
#8059576 - 02/23/08 08:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thing is, after a while you learn to concously control your brain waves, as it comes much easier with practice, then after you learn that you actually start having concious control over otherwise involuntary processes (ie, heart rate, smooth muscle, and brain chemicals)
endorphins and dopamine are perhaps the most useful chemicals in day to day life, i can conciously readjust my perception of pain
its even useful during sex, as i can go just as long as i need to and then finish at will
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: wrestler_az]
#8059581 - 02/23/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wrestler_az said: you must first shut the hell up with all this elitist tripper crap
I acknowledge the value of meditation with or without the psychedelic experience but for the purpose of this thread I agree wholeheartedly with wrestler_az.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8059916 - 02/23/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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seevoid said: without meditation training one would just take mushrooms and watch the matrix and say wow
this is not like taking psychedelics to become one with nature and the creator
people must train the mind to make use out of the psychedelic experience
one
I haven't once tripped and watched the matrix. I have always gone outside and I'll be damned if my experience is any less enlightening then yours. I haven't even delved into mediation yet. The whole notion of meditation in order to be one with nature is silly.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8060567 - 02/23/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Other animals don't need to meditate to be at one with nature. Meditation is only necessary to tidy up a messy mind, a mind made messy by how we live. That is with hundreds of advertisments, opinions and conversations. Without tidying up, things get slow.
That can be bad when tripping, if you trip over that mess.
But it's not essential. Trip sitters are not essential (hell, my first acid experience was on my own, and started on the bus back home, and I didn't know it was acid at the time).
Just don't come off as an arrogant prick, it makes you look like a preacher, and nothing gets me more riled up than someone preaching fucking bollocks that I know is wrong.
People should meditate, because it's nice and useful, like people should clean up after themselves, because it's nice, and useful.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8060983 - 02/23/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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^^what he said. perfectly worded imo.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Kanker]
#8061209 - 02/23/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kanker said: haha. first post: had my suspicions. license post: now i just know that the thread was created merely for the purpose of stirring shit up.
withdraw interest and bury this thread
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: blacksun]
#8061224 - 02/23/08 04:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Elitist bullshit.
How about this..
You shouldn't be allowed to meditate until you take 200mics of LSD?
Yeah, thought so.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8061232 - 02/23/08 04:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Visionary Tools said: Other animals don't need to meditate to be at one with nature. Meditation is only necessary to tidy up a messy mind, a mind made messy by how we live. That is with hundreds of advertisments, opinions and conversations. Without tidying up, things get slow.
That can be bad when tripping, if you trip over that mess.
But it's not essential. Trip sitters are not essential (hell, my first acid experience was on my own, and started on the bus back home, and I didn't know it was acid at the time).
Just don't come off as an arrogant prick, it makes you look like a preacher, and nothing gets me more riled up than someone preaching fucking bollocks that I know is wrong.
People should meditate, because it's nice and useful, like people should clean up after themselves, because it's nice, and useful.
In-fucking-deed. No more needs to be said.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: smokeybear]
#8061300 - 02/23/08 04:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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without meditation training one would just take mushrooms and watch the matrix and say wow
I know people like that and I pity them. I have tripped with someone whose sole purpose for doing any kind of intoxicant is "getting fucked up" and guess what happened to them? They stopped tripping 3 hours after taking 3g of mushrooms. That said, I think meditation could help them, but their idea of "good fun" is just taking something and hoping that it will brute force their brain, so they wouldn't see meditation as anything but a waste of time.
Do I think that this person is at a high risk of a bad trip? Yes, but not because they don't meditate. Do I think that this person is "wasting" his trip? Not really, he has fun watching TV while he's tripping. Besides, I think its better that he have a bad trip somewhere he is familiar with, so if it happens, hell he'd probably like it afterwards.
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I wish I could share more of the experience, the barrier is not meditation, but maybe it makes me want to share more or maybe it makes the candy sweeter?
In my case, meditation definitely helps me extend the trip, "stay on track," and stop bad trips before they get out of hand. So, yes meditation makes MY candy sweeter (I don't recommend using that as a pickup line).
As for requiring meditation, thats just dumb. Everyone's mind is their own and if someone feels inclined to sit on the couch and watch the Matrix, thats fine. I'll probably be outside walking around enjoying my trip the way I want to, why should anyone else do differently?
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Middleman]
#8061595 - 02/23/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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KrishnaDreamer said: well, when you meditate it induces your mind to operate at alpha frequencies, same as dreaming (i think), which is a relaxed state of being, which would more likely make one have a good trip.
FTR, Alpha brain waves = fully alert, Theta waves = dreaming.
It's the way the brain combines and moves between wavelengths that determines consciousness, not the wavelengths themselves.
Someone tripping will have high Alpha and low Theta waves in different parts of the brain at the same time.
I've found meditation to be a way of achieving similar states of awareness as tripping, only autonomously and much more clear and coherent.
Meditation is not a way of gaining control over thought, but a way of reducing thought's control, imo.
thanks for clearing that up. 
and i don't really see meditation as one sitting cross-legged staring into their third eye. meditation in my opinion is anything that puts you in the "now", such as sports or physical activities, or reading. anything concerning relaxation could be considered meditation as well, such as a sauna or breath control exercises.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8061682 - 02/23/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Congradulations OP, you've mastered the ability to suck. You'll be lucky to ever get to level one if you let my words discenter you.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: poof]
#8062022 - 02/23/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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LOL...meditation schmeditation. 
That being said I do like to try to prepare my mind before I trip. If I find that I'm preoccupied with a lot of negative thoughts it'll lead to a bad trip and I will hold off.
But only if you meditate? Gimme a f'ing break...
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8062245 - 02/23/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sometimes I'm stressed out, I just want to skin up and get blazed. Meditation when I'm stressed out just is not going to happen.
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i totally agree with visionary. i think a lot, from the time i wake up to the time i go to sleep. the closest thing to meditation i have found is dancing, thats the only time my mind is quiet and i love that more than anything.
well said, both of you.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: large_dose]
#8062290 - 02/23/08 08:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think meditating is definitely not as easy. At first, attempting to meditate is like trying to find a door in a dark room you're unfamiliar with. Psychedelics are like using a flame thrower to light the way to the door.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: citricacidx]
#8062399 - 02/23/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay thread 
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: citricacidx]
#8062445 - 02/23/08 09:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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citricacidx said: I think meditating is definitely not as easy. At first, attempting to meditate is like trying to find a door in a dark room you're unfamiliar with. Psychedelics are like using a flame thrower to light the way to the door.
Too heavy a dose and the door flies open, you get sucked out, and it locks behind you... For awhile.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: HighHat]
#8062572 - 02/23/08 10:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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citricacidx said: I think meditating is definitely not as easy. At first, attempting to meditate is like trying to find a door in a dark room you're unfamiliar with. Psychedelics are like using a flame thrower to light the way to the door.
Too heavy a dose and the door flies open, you get sucked out, and it locks behind you... For awhile.
Not only the floors, but the walls and ceiling as well. Then you're really fucked cause no longer are you in a dark room, you're now in the void.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: citricacidx]
#8063450 - 02/24/08 07:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This threads pretty waaaaaaacccckkkkkkk.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: anyone420]
#8063913 - 02/24/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Summary of this thread: Bash the arrogant idiot, discuss meditation and personal links to psychedelics, make up metaphors.
The end.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8064143 - 02/24/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's probably been said before but i can't rememeber the exact phrasing of this statement but something like this:
Use the drug to examine the top of the mountain, spend the next ten years achieving the same level of understanding/enlightenment from within.
I agree with that philosophy. not the other way around. Psychedelics really show us what the mind is capable of it's up to us to get ourselves back to that place without the use of the drug. that's just my 2 cents.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: HighHat]
#8065831 - 02/24/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HighHat said: Summary of this thread: Bash the arrogant idiot, discuss meditation and personal links to psychedelics, make up metaphors.
The end.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: HighHat]
#8066770 - 02/24/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HighHat said: Summary of this thread: Bash the arrogant idiot, discuss meditation and personal links to psychedelics, make up metaphors.
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Dude... those are similes, not metaphors
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: citricacidx]
#8066903 - 02/24/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HighHat said: Summary of this thread: Bash the arrogant idiot, discuss meditation and personal links to psychedelics, make up metaphors.
The end.
Dude... those are similes, not metaphors
same thing basically.
A metaphore is: a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”
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Some stuff is like other stuff......lol
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: yageman]
#8067168 - 02/25/08 12:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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citricacidx said:
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HighHat said: Summary of this thread: Bash the arrogant idiot, discuss meditation and personal links to psychedelics, make up metaphors.
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Dude... those are similes, not metaphors
same thing basically.
A metaphore is: a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”
dumbass
Some stuff is like other stuff......lol
ninny
similar, but not the same
A simile is: a form of expression using `like' or `as', in which one thing is compared to another which it only resembles in one or a small number of ways: "How like the winter hath my absence been" or "So are you to my thoughts as food to life"
dumbass
Some stuff is like other stuff......lol
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: citricacidx]
#8067196 - 02/25/08 12:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"like" being the word.
Thanks for giving me "the word" i understand, but yer a dumb suckhard.
serry..............
ya fuggin ninny
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: yageman]
#8067206 - 02/25/08 12:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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apparently someone didn't do well in grammar.
I like that I replied with a joke and you took it seriously
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: citricacidx]
#8067291 - 02/25/08 12:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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im just saying some stuff is like other stuff, and you are a ninny.
serry.
funny joke by the way. fucking hilarious
About you being a ninny: dont make this truth into something I have to defend You really are.
No big deal. Keep sucking hard! yay
Dont worry about it and ya, I know what those words mean and how they sort of differ.
Dumbass.................
I was only trying to call you a ninny, and a sort of bitch.
its all good.
Sorry I ditched "grammar class"............lol Too busy smoking nugs.
Yer still a ninny sort of bitch.
I just had to say that.
Its my fault that I thought what you wrote was dumb as hell, ninny-like, and irrelevant.
Really though, after what you just said im not so sure you understand how words work.
This post says you cant meet someone half way and are kinda slow.
Im sort of kidding too you know.
I just think yer a custy.
Thanks for the info though.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: yageman]
#8067605 - 02/25/08 04:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread is even waccckkkkkerrrrrr since i was last here. Grammar wars..? Really...?
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: anyone420]
#8067673 - 02/25/08 05:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Another thread I'm going to have to call shenanagins on.
Oh and as a former English teacher I really have to say that there is a big difference between similes and metaphors - the former is a comparative form of description the latter is a tranference of implicit qualities to poetically embue meaning.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: theorganicdomino]
#8067686 - 02/25/08 05:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well there are a few natural people who are very skilled with timing. it is a lot more about timing than oneness... or spirit. we mostly call it spiritual because we can't put our finger on timing. it is too elusive.
meditation is an opportunity to familiarize one's self with the inner terrains, and the tool that is excercised, seems to be awareness - but underlying awareness is timing. (setting up sympathetic rhythms for feedback).
i have become aware of the mind adjusting timing in several of ways while sifting through memory or sifting through the world around me.
all of the elaborate visualizations and things conjured up in synch with nature or apart are all based upon timing combined with mental comtents.
note- feedback is a given, I could have added it throughout this message: when you are interested in something you fix on it with feedback, it takes timing adjustments to obtain that feedback, then the associative nature of mind takes over and things related to the interest emerge.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: citricacidx]
#8068109 - 02/25/08 10:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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citricacidx said:
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HighHat said: Summary of this thread: Bash the arrogant idiot, discuss meditation and personal links to psychedelics, make up metaphors.
The end.
Dude... those are similes, not metaphors
There were similes and metaphors. A metaphor is basically a simile without using "like."
Whats wrong with grammar wars? Call me a nerd (don't waste time posing it though, I already know), but they're fun. Plus, it kinda salvages a stupid thread anyway, in terms of entertainment value at least (for some).
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: theorganicdomino]
#8068552 - 02/25/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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that doesn't sound all that different to me. I call shenanigans on making shit more complicated than it needs to be.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: doitagain]
#8070002 - 02/25/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bump.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
#8070220 - 02/25/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I got news for you. Psychedelics aren't allowed. Period.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#8070232 - 02/25/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There was a similar idea about guns once. I think the people interested in breaking the law with them and abusing them still managed to do just that.
I'm pretty sure that locks are only for honest people, crooks use crowbars.
Serial numbers are for hunting, filed down imports are for knocking over a 7/11.
Tylenol is for headaches.
And psychedelics are for people who are intelligent enough to get away with their use without betraying themselves to anyone.
Drugs can remain illegal, and the government can continue to waste money on fighting them. Either you can arrest us, or monitor us, or fine us, either way, we're going to cost a shit load of money, and no matter what, we will do what we want.
Meditate on that.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
#8071642 - 02/26/08 08:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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shame on you, this thread should have died a log time ago
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#14994194 - 08/28/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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i can see how that could be a good idea, could be be good for getting more out of your experience or good if your in fear of a bad trip or something, but its definitely not essential or a must
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Kanker]
#16889841 - 09/21/12 10:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kanker said: that, and historically, various indigenous tribes/groups from various countries ingested drugs before entering what arguably may be called meditation.
This is the answer right here! Early hominids ate wild mushrooms every chance they could get! and bring them back for their groups! they didnt know what meditation was or is. They just tripped naturally and evolved under the influences of fungus! there was no "meditation" just enlightenment.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: doitagain]
#16889894 - 09/21/12 11:14 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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doitagain said: dude you're an ass, this elitist bullshit isn't what psychedelics are about.
i agree, minus the part about the OP an ass. psychedelics are about respecting fellow humans just as much!
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#16890113 - 09/22/12 12:23 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Rohto]
#16890117 - 09/22/12 12:25 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kanker said: that, and historically, various indigenous tribes/groups from various countries ingested drugs before entering what arguably may be called meditation.
This is the answer right here! Early hominids ate wild mushrooms every chance they could get! and bring them back for their groups! they didnt know what meditation was or is. They just tripped naturally and evolved under the influences of fungus! there was no "meditation" just enlightenment.
The post before yours was made one year, 25 days ago. Your post was made one hour, 24 minutes ago.
2012, dude...
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#16890131 - 09/22/12 12:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kanker said: that, and historically, various indigenous tribes/groups from various countries ingested drugs before entering what arguably may be called meditation.
This is the answer right here! Early hominids ate wild mushrooms every chance they could get! and bring them back for their groups! they didnt know what meditation was or is. They just tripped naturally and evolved under the influences of fungus! there was no "meditation" just enlightenment.
The quote before yours was made one year, 25 days ago. Your post was made one hour, 24 minutes ago.
2012, dude... 
and your post was 1 minute, 24 seconds ago, and the hundreds digits of your post count was 124... WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: notanumber]
#16890137 - 09/22/12 12:29 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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MY POST WAS MADE 4 MINUTES, 20 SECONDS AGO!
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: notanumber]
#16890144 - 09/22/12 12:33 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL it was one of the recomended threads this site generated after i posted something. And i just had to comment of course. And the timing, damn, maybe the stars are aligning!
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Rohto]
#16890200 - 09/22/12 12:49 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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i get the overall theme here of don't abuse the psychs, but thats kind of ignorant. The best way to learn something is to actually DO it, but start small. I didn't even think about meditating until after a couple trips, and meditating is actually useful because they compliment eachother now.
People of all kinds and sorts and personalities use psychs of all kinds..comedians, actors, celebrities, even criminals and serial killers. Life isn't a movie,theres no gauranteed happy ending or a gift or reward. things come and go and its all pretty random. just be the best person YOU can be, and respect and love averyone to the best of your ability, and you'll have the best chance for success, life tends to flow that way.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: purelycontradictin]
#16890216 - 09/22/12 12:52 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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and i realise this is an old thread....
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