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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8057303 - 02/22/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

without meditation training one would just take mushrooms and watch the matrix and say wow

this is not like taking psychedelics to become one with nature and the creator

people must train the mind to make use out of the psychedelic experience

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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
    #8057324 - 02/22/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you must first shut the hell up with all this elitist tripper crap, in order to be liked on the shroomery.


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
    #8057448 - 02/22/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have found yoga and meditation both indispensible in life
I think that the psychedelic treat is more attractive to me than to my peers (age 56)
there may or may not be a relationship.
I wish I could share more of the experience, the barrier is not meditation, but maybe it makes me want to share more or maybe it makes the candy sweeter?


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8057545 - 02/22/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well personally, i learned the art of meditation before i tried any drugs, and i had learned how to stimulate the release of endorphins conciously... its a very useful tool

i think its a really good idea to master meditation before trying psychedelics, it certainly should not be "required" cause that kind of ignorant statement turns people off, so they call you an idiot, like those above me


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8057606 - 02/22/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You shouldent be able to make up stupid rules and push your agenda on others.

How bout that one.:borat:


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8057619 - 02/22/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

uh... i never said it should be required, so why don't you respond to the right person.


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8057631 - 02/22/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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KrishnaDreamer said:
uh... i never said it should be required, so why don't you respond to the right person.



Lol I have apsolutly no idea why that was a response to you it was to the OP


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8057665 - 02/22/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i just didnt get through the entire thread so i clicked the nearest reply button

it happened to be yours

the world doesnt center around you, dude :tongue2:


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8057729 - 02/22/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

it's ok :cool:


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8058052 - 02/22/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with just about everybody in here except the original poster, lol.


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8059371 - 02/23/08 05:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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KrishnaDreamer said:
well, when you meditate it induces your mind to operate at alpha frequencies, same as dreaming (i think), which is a relaxed state of being, which would more likely make one have a good trip.




FTR, Alpha brain waves = fully alert, Theta waves = dreaming.

It's the way the brain combines and moves between wavelengths that determines consciousness, not the wavelengths themselves.

Someone tripping will have high Alpha and low Theta waves in different parts of the brain at the same time.

I've found meditation to be a way of achieving similar states of awareness as tripping, only autonomously and much more clear and coherent.

Meditation is not a way of gaining control over thought, but a way of reducing thought's control, imo.


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Middleman]
    #8059576 - 02/23/08 08:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thing is, after a while you learn to concously control your brain waves, as it comes much easier with practice, then after you learn that you actually start having concious control over otherwise involuntary processes (ie, heart rate, smooth muscle, and brain chemicals)

endorphins and dopamine are perhaps the most useful chemicals in day to day life, i can conciously readjust my perception of pain

its even useful during sex, as i can go just as long as i need to and then finish at will


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: wrestler_az]
    #8059581 - 02/23/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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wrestler_az said:
you must first shut the hell up with all this elitist tripper crap




I acknowledge the value of meditation with or without the psychedelic experience but for the purpose of this thread I agree wholeheartedly with wrestler_az.

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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
    #8059916 - 02/23/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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seevoid said:
without meditation training one would just take mushrooms and watch the matrix and say wow

this is not like taking psychedelics to become one with nature and the creator

people must train the mind to make use out of the psychedelic experience

one



I haven't once tripped and watched the matrix. I have always gone outside and I'll be damned if my experience is any less enlightening then yours. I haven't even delved into mediation yet. The whole notion of meditation in order to be one with nature is silly.


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
    #8060567 - 02/23/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Other animals don't need to meditate to be at one with nature. Meditation is only necessary to tidy up a messy mind, a mind made messy by how we live. That is with hundreds of advertisments, opinions and conversations. Without tidying up, things get slow.

That can be bad when tripping, if you trip over that mess.

But it's not essential. Trip sitters are not essential (hell, my first acid experience was on my own, and started on the bus back home, and I didn't know it was acid at the time).

Just don't come off as an arrogant prick, it makes you look like a preacher, and nothing gets me more riled up than someone preaching fucking bollocks that I know is wrong.

People should meditate, because it's nice and useful, like people should clean up after themselves, because it's nice, and useful.


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8060983 - 02/23/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

^^what he said. perfectly worded imo.


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Kanker]
    #8061209 - 02/23/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Kanker said:
haha.
first post: had my suspicions.
license post: now i just know that the thread was created merely for the purpose of stirring shit up.

withdraw interest and bury this thread




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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: blacksun]
    #8061224 - 02/23/08 04:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Elitist bullshit.


How about this..

You shouldn't be allowed to meditate until you take 200mics of LSD?

Yeah, thought so.:rolleyes:


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8061232 - 02/23/08 04:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Other animals don't need to meditate to be at one with nature. Meditation is only necessary to tidy up a messy mind, a mind made messy by how we live. That is with hundreds of advertisments, opinions and conversations. Without tidying up, things get slow.

That can be bad when tripping, if you trip over that mess.

But it's not essential. Trip sitters are not essential (hell, my first acid experience was on my own, and started on the bus back home, and I didn't know it was acid at the time).

Just don't come off as an arrogant prick, it makes you look like a preacher, and nothing gets me more riled up than someone preaching fucking bollocks that I know is wrong.

People should meditate, because it's nice and useful, like people should clean up after themselves, because it's nice, and useful.




In-fucking-deed. No more needs to be said.


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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: smokeybear]
    #8061300 - 02/23/08 04:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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without meditation training one would just take mushrooms and watch the matrix and say wow




I know people like that and I pity them. I have tripped with someone whose sole purpose for doing any kind of intoxicant is "getting fucked up" and guess what happened to them? They stopped tripping 3 hours after taking 3g of mushrooms. That said, I think meditation could help them, but their idea of "good fun" is just taking something and hoping that it will brute force their brain, so they wouldn't see meditation as anything but a waste of time.

Do I think that this person is at a high risk of a bad trip? Yes, but not because they don't meditate.
Do I think that this person is "wasting" his trip? Not really, he has fun watching TV while he's tripping.
Besides, I think its better that he have a bad trip somewhere he is familiar with, so if it happens, hell he'd probably like it afterwards.

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I wish I could share more of the experience, the barrier is not meditation, but maybe it makes me want to share more or maybe it makes the candy sweeter?





In my case, meditation definitely helps me extend the trip, "stay on track," and stop bad trips before they get out of hand. So, yes meditation makes MY candy sweeter (I don't recommend using that as a pickup line).

As for requiring meditation, thats just dumb. Everyone's mind is their own and if someone feels inclined to sit on the couch and watch the Matrix, thats fine. I'll probably be outside walking around enjoying my trip the way I want to, why should anyone else do differently?


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