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seevoid
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you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate
#8056522 - 02/22/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you have to master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals before you should be allowed drugs
dont wimp out on me here
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wrestler_az
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8056553 - 02/22/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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drugs are my meditation
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid] 1
#8056558 - 02/22/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I disagree. Many people try psychedelics before ever seriously practicing meditation, and are able to handle the insights they gain. Not only that, but a lot of serious practitioners of meditation, and a lot of Western Dharma teachers, gained their first glimpses of awakening through psychedelic use.
IMO starting a proposition like this with "you shouldn't be allowed" is elitist and just one step down from the fear-based prohibitionist policies of the United States.
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Kanker
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Lion]
#8056570 - 02/22/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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that, and historically, various indigenous tribes/groups from various countries ingested drugs before entering what arguably may be called meditation.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Kanker]
#8056578 - 02/22/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Noooo.. Psychedelics TAUGHT me how to meditate.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: PyroBurns] 1
#8056587 - 02/22/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thats a very rigid way of looking at things. Psychedelics usually lead to meditation and vice versa, both are very complimentray.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Kanker]
#8056588 - 02/22/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You sound too elitist to be somebody who "can master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals."
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: alaricxi]
#8056598 - 02/22/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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alaricxi said: You sound too elitist to be somebody who "can master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals."
indeed, just because you meditate doesn't make you any more enlightened than me or any other non-meditaters. you should eat more psychedelics w/o meditating, see what its like to not have a clear head and having a bad trip. bad trips are probably more enlightening than meditating.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: smokeybear] 1
#8056635 - 02/22/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dude you're an ass, this elitist bullshit isn't what psychedelics are about.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: smokeybear]
#8056640 - 02/22/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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a psychological assessment should be given to those who want psychedeilics and then dispensed from drug stores/pharmacies to those with a liscense
during psychogical testing meditation would be taught and if they didnt pass these tests meditation would bring a mindset that would eventually pass tests and then all win and all take psychedelics
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8056668 - 02/22/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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how about people should be responsible for their own choice, and what ever consequences come from them. You can never be 100% ready for psychedelics anyways, and theres freely available information about every drug on the internet's so just let people be responsible for their own decisions, its a radical concept i know.
look dude, its cool that you think psychedelics are special cause they are, but your idea is just stupid.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: doitagain]
#8056693 - 02/22/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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haha. first post: had my suspicions. license post: now i just know that the thread was created merely for the purpose of stirring shit up.
withdraw interest and bury this thread
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate *DELETED* [Re: doitagain]
#8056707 - 02/22/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: EarthboundBob]
#8056899 - 02/22/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You could be the best person at meditation ever and still freak out easily on psychedelics your first time. It's not just controlling your thoughts, it's knowing when not to try to control your thoughts that can help you handle acid and shrooms (IME)
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8056955 - 02/22/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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seevoid said: you have to master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals before you should be allowed drugs
dont wimp out on me here
You have to master english and refrain from using 'you (understood) clauses' when chiding internet forum users' use of psychidelics.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Kanker]
#8056985 - 02/22/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kanker said: haha. first post: had my suspicions. license post: now i just know that the thread was created merely for the purpose of stirring shit up.
withdraw interest and bury this thread
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: sky]
#8057005 - 02/22/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well thats just ironic
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: seevoid]
#8057174 - 02/22/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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seevoid said: you have to master a level of meditation and learn how to manipulate brain chemicals before you should be allowed drugs
dont wimp out on me here
Fuck you. I like meditation, I like drugs. Having someone say "You can't enjoy yourself until you do this" Is just utter bollocks. It's a lot easier to get ahold of drugs than it is to master meditation, which, if you're someone like me and have a loud mind, is very difficult.
Sometimes I'm stressed out, I just want to skin up and get blazed. Meditation when I'm stressed out just is not going to happen.
Man, this thread has got me pissed off. FAIL.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8057221 - 02/22/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah, it sounds like he is claiming to be a master of meditation. maybe if your mind is quiet you can do that, but i totally agree with visionary. i think a lot, from the time i wake up to the time i go to sleep. the closest thing to meditation i have found is dancing, thats the only time my mind is quiet and i love that more than anything.
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Re: you shouldnt be allowed psychedelics til you meditate [Re: smokeybear]
#8057270 - 02/22/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well, when you meditate it induces your mind to operate at alpha frequencies, same as dreaming (i think), which is a relaxed state of being, which would more likely make one have a good trip.
other than that i think people should make their own choices, whether they want a good trip or bad is not up to me. although it would be nice to educate the ignorant.
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