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InvisibleChronic7

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Evolution to Purity?
    #8056323 - 02/22/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How many people here believe we are all evolving to purity?

I believe, the universe was born of purity & now the universe (galaxies, the suns, planets, moons, comets) all evolve together to return to this purity, part of this process creates life, this life then evolves into complex forms, then begins to become self aware, then can liberate itself back to the original purity which all the universe comes from.

This purity is within all things, just unaware, unbalanced etc...


The more highly evolved we are, the less violent we are, the less we struggle against purity.

Violence is going against the way of purity, is it brought from attachment which brings all suffering.


This purity i speak of is what we call "god" it is pure life, pure awareness, pure peace & harmony. It works in unfathomable ways best described as "karma" to keep the universe "in check" :smile:

It is all there is!


Some say violence is everywhere, it is part of the true nature of things...

Cosmic collision is "violent" to create solar systems that work in harmony and thus create life that can evolve to harmony, but on the way there is unawareness of this purity, which brings attachment to illusions, which brings violence etc...even animals who act violently do so because to them violence is a means to an end, it is for survival, and survival means evolution.

Humans act out of violence out of attachment to things, and even see it as a means to an end, some countries feel they have to fight for peace etc...yet we have no excuse as we are evolved enough to know better, we just don't do better...yet, but we're still evolving!



We should all help each other on our paths to purity, as one can not selfishly bring liberation for themselves, as there is no "self" only a true self that resides in all things.


Ultimately all things want to return to the purity, and do so through evolution, merging duality into ONE.


I feel this deep within me to be true, whose with me?

:yinyang:


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InvisibleChronic7

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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8056539 - 02/22/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Damn i must be craaaaayzeee then!

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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8056596 - 02/22/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Naw, M&P is just a very quiet forum.  :sleep:

You say that we should all help each other because there is no selfish path to liberation.

A small child was talking to his mother, and the mother said,
"Remember always to help others." And the child asked,
"Then what will the others do?" Naturally, the mother said,
"They will help others." The child said, "This seems to be a
strange scheme. Why not help yourself, rather than shifting it
and making things unnecessarily complex?"

It's important to keep in mind that in order to share, you first must have something to share. Altruism is not the way.

The basic thing is to love yourself so totally that the love overflows you and reaches to others!

My point here is, selfishness is the natural path to liberation. :smile:

The word itself has taken on a very condemnatory association because all the religions have condemned it. They want you to be unselfish. But why? To help others...

But just look at nature. :earth:

Each tree is selfish: If brings water to its roots, it brings juices to its branches, to the leaves, to the fruits, to the flowers. And when it blossoms, and overflows with self-love and nourishment, it releases fragrance to everybody-- known, unknown, familiar, stranger. When it is loaded with fruits, it shares, it gives those fruits.

But if you teach these trees to be altruistic, all these trees will die, in the same way that miserable people die within when they are trying to help other miserable people, the blind leading others who are blind..

So be selfish! :peace: Allow bliss to overflow. The more its shared, the more it grows. :heart:

:mushroom2:


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InvisibleChronic7

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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8056642 - 02/22/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You are so right, the tree analogy is beautiful!

But what i mean is we cannot return to this original purity without also helping others, as we are all one. Interdependant.

That tree may be helping itself to carbon dioxide, but in the process it also gives us fresh oxygen to breathe, as it is fulfilling its natural purpose, to support life & live life itself of course!

So to continue with your analogy, we should work in the same way, self centred, feeding ourselves, growing, yet fulfilling our true nature, as the tree does, this true nature should also spill onto others as we're interdependent!

As if you are a peaceful, centred, aware being, this spreads onto others around you as they see the truth in you, yes your right.

Be the change you want to see in the world!

(many seem to want to get the world to change before them, including myself if im completely honest!)

This sort of thinking would make me more than happy to be rebirthed as a tree, imagine feeling that potential and fulfilling it, it must be brilliant!!! But like us it has to suffer through the seasonal changes and be attached to certain things...life is so beautiful!


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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8056671 - 02/22/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Spot on. :psychsplit:

It's just another neat paradox of the cosmos. Fill others by ful-filling yourself.

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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8056763 - 02/22/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its all so amazing and so simple, all it takes it seeing yourself in everything, and everything in you.

Im trying to integrate these realisations of great truths into my everyday life, however i seem to find my ego clings to "rational" mind too much and prevents me from doing this. I try an conceptualize nirvana, when concepts are based in duality.
The attached mind can not fully understand the unattached.

Theres actually nothing rational about so called rational thinking, Its nonsensical thinking, over analysing, i never understood this phrase until a few days ago...

"the more i find out, the less i know"


Im gonna go get the vape charged up after a hard day at work posting on the net talking about life :stoned:



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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8056892 - 02/22/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah dude I know what you mean. My mind is constantly categorizing and trying to turn my environment into concepts which then need to be put on the right shelf, in the right position, at the right time. It's such a messy ordeal of hyper-analyzation. Really I'm coming to learn that this is the nature of the mind. It defines its very existence through attachment. If it's not busy, the ego signals death alert, and then we get antsy and feel like we got to "do something," anything, just to keep the mind minding.

The mind must be left behind, not in a way that rejects it, or condemns it-- because the mind and the body are fused. They cannot be separated. When the body dies, the mind dies. They're one.

But it must be left behind in a way that transcends its influence.. through understanding for example. Acceptance. Humor. Spontaneity. Gratefulness. Humbleness. These are all transpersonal qualities that can lift us beyond the constraints of attachment.

The key is they need to be practiced. Less talk more practice.

Yes,
that's a formula I even prescribe for myself.


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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8056916 - 02/22/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Great post, AA.:thumbup: I think you can't go wrong with humbleness


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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8057168 - 02/22/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"Those who speak do not know, those who do not speak, know"

I know for one if i knew it all id be sitting next to a tree silent in perfect bliss til the day i die!

It rings true when your arguing with someone and you know your right so you just shut up, its so much more satisfying then feeding into the egos attachment of the arguement and "winning" (ps i dont mean net squabbles! i mean face to face energy consuming arguements)

That is an awesome saying, because if we all just shutup for a while we'd look within and find the truth, then would feel no need to fill these little silences, trying to get somewhere, we'd already be there.

As we are already everywhere, you only have to awaken to it!


lol man i need to go meditate and switch off for 2day :smile:

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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8063666 - 02/24/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It really sucks this got 48 views and only 2 people replied, i see this as an obvious purpose of the universe, yet to others it obviously seems fanatical, as no-one else has had these realisations???

Is the concept that peace and harmony is all there is, and everything inbetween is a life BEing, acting reacting, to return to this peace really so hard to comprehend?


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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8063710 - 02/24/08 09:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I tend to think that the universe is quite chaotic.
Big Bang sounds dissonant.


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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8063713 - 02/24/08 09:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'This purity i speak of is what we call "god" it is pure life, pure awareness, pure peace & harmony.'

The God I've come to know is varied. Purity??
What does this mean??


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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8063778 - 02/24/08 10:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Purity is pure life, awareness, nirvana, pristine peace.

The reason the universe is chaotic is for peaceful harmonious return to the original pure life force, imo, it is a means to an end, although there is no end!

All there is is pure life force, which acts on a universal scale with harmony and peace.

If you look at the behaviour of the universe as chaos, to me anyway it makes sense that it is doing this to create life, suns, planets, moons, elements, all come together to make life.


Life that then evolves to become aware of itself and how it can just let go of all attachment and be one with the entire universe. We definately have evolved to become aware of it. imo. Humans have evolved to FEEL things, the best things we can feel is the peace and harmony of everything, and the orgasmic energy of original ONEness.

Both to help the universe return to original ONEness.

Life being fulfilled is brilliant and beautiful and creative and destructive, evolutionary (revolutionary) but all this happens for a common ground, return to ONEness which is felt as peace, animals fight for survival and to be content/peacefull, the only time they attack is when they attach to something, even attaching to survival. Just watch nature, its not always angry, its just to be peaceful!

Humans have evolved to be capable of letting go of everything and feeling the peace of universal harmony. It can also be felt as an incredibly orgasmic completely flooring energy when connected with pure original life force.

Seeing everythings connected & beleiving in karma (which im sure lots of us beleive in) means everything is working in harmony, letting go of attachment and going with this hamorny instead of against it, ie clinging to what changes, one can be a physical being, individual of purity, yet completely one with it.

Thats why i beleive peaceful awareness is all there is, even huge cosmic explosions are there to create harmonious solar systems and new life. All driven by this original pure life force to return to ONEness.




As far as the big bang goes you can see it as the start, and big cruch as the end, but that is wrong, neither one starts nor ends (like the chicken and egg) neither is the path nor destination, but it goes on for eternity, white light (prebang) & the universe in harmony (postbang) is all there is, it is this to which we return, it is this from which we came, this is what we ache to return to so work in peaceful harmony for this, white light is pure life so densely packed we can not comprehend its smallness, this is what the big bang is...

The big bang is chaotic yet it is pure life force trying to be then it works in perfect harmony, to return to oneness of life force (prebang), then all over again. It seems life will always need to BE as life force is all there is, it is an endless cycle.

This life force is peaceful as it is ONE, thus it is free of duality, it is everything, the big bang is the rapid expansion of this, as life has to be, but it stays interconnected, as one, nothing taken nothing lost, it then works in harmony to return to its begining, then starts again, the universe & big bang are inseparable, they are the same thing, that is all there is!

As they have to bee seen as one, one can only be described as peace, as it is non dual. So peace is all there is behind life.


Edited by Chronic7 (02/24/08 10:48 AM)


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    #8066988 - 02/24/08 11:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #8067441 - 02/25/08 01:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Great thread!

I like the idea of a harmonious/purified universe. But unfortunately i cannot grasp it on the level of you guys. But nonetheless, i tried to understand and enjoyed the read. :smile:

The idea, more locally of a world with perfect symbiosis is something i would like to ascribe to. We as humans are a great hinderance in this process, we are the cause of many many species of life becoming extinct, whether through urbanisation, forest/jungle clearing, or animal/plant importation. We still can learn much from the animal kindom, yet we continue to cause problems for it.

Sometimes i actually wonder if we have evolved beyond our  symbiotic use to the world. Educating the world and keeping it educated for generations seems an impossible task.
If only all people could love themselves and share it with everything they come into contact with... Something i would like to (and should) do.
Though in saying that, even convincing those few that will listen could eventually get us on a path to a greater good. People do seem to be turning back to nature for solutions (albeit through dirty marketers wanting money for their company's organic products) and this could be a good path to go.


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Re: Evolution to Purity? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8068047 - 02/25/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

In a sense.. yes. I believe we are evolving as a planet into a higher vibration/density.. on a cosmic scale this could been seen as well as our solar system has reached the apex or turning point of our 24,000 year cosmic cycle, we have been "asleep", and now as we enter the Age of Aquarius we begin to awaken and move closer to the source.. both spiritually and physically as our solar system aligns with the center of our galaxy and the Great Central Sun, Alcyone in the Pleiades. For 2,000 years we will bathe in high frequency light that will transmute our DNA, but I believe that this cycle will be much different than previous ones, in that great changes will occur, that will be the herald of a new age of humanity on Earth.



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