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Any advice?
    #8056057 - 02/22/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What's up guys (and gals)? I've recently found my way back to this place (not that I ever forgot), and signed up. You could call me a 5+ year lurker, as I've come and checked on things here and there. I had an old account, but WOW, I was stupid back then (lol, it's actually quite funny to go back and read some of those posts, god damn). So needless to say, dropped that one in favor of a new one. Anyway, I'm not exactly a beginner but I'm no expert, mostly I know what I'm doing in theory and not in practice. To date I've completed several successful grows, mostly just PF cakes but some grain/casings, bear in mind this was over 5 years ago.

So I'm on my current grow, multi-spore Yosterizii (thanks ralph) on 3qts (roughly 2 lb.) of rye. I used ~2.5cc per jar and the remaining 3cc into 300ml of karo LC. Everything was done as you'd expect, the colonization was a nice speedy 10 days from inoculation to 100%. I then cased to a large disposable aluminum pan, with a small layer of dry (slightly moistened) verm. Cased with (eye-balled) 50/50 verm/coir to a depth of just a hair over 1/4in. Incubated for 48 hours (another day or even 12hrs and it would have been way too late, the rate it was going) then birthed to the FC. At this point just a couple points where the myc was poking through.

Ok, so on to the advice. It's been in the FC for 6 days, it's on the start of the 7th night of 12/12 (in the off cycle now). Plenty of FAE and light mistings. Now, this isn't one of those (omgz wherez my pinz at yo!?! threads you all hate so much), but I'm wondering what you all think of the casing. I ask now because I'd rather catch anything going wrong before it gets really bad. I'm curious if this is overlay or not? And if it is, bad, or enough to not worry about it right now? The mycelium isn't colonizing the casing any more, it just did that first day of being in the FC. It also looks as if it's pulled away from the container a bit, but I picked it up and the aluminum buckled under the weight of the casing, so it's not super-dried and shriveled, but it could have certainly dried out a bit.

One friend told me not to mist it while waiting for primordria to form, so I did that for about a day and I noticed it was getting way to dry to do that anymore, not to mention everywhere else it said 95-100% RH for primorida/pin formation and then 90% or so for fruit maturation.

Here's a picture:



Does it look alright? The flash makes it look like there's a lot more mycelium growing in the casing layer than there really is (some is from below the casing line and some of the white is moisture from just being misted reflecting). But even so, does it look like overlay? The mycelium isn't a dense mat as I commonly associate with overlay problems (or am I incorrect?), although I know ideally you don't really want any of the casing layer colonized. - And have searched and done plenty of reading, but I'm trying to ask from the experience of others and not my understanding from a few paragraphs of text and a few often blurry pictures, so please none of the pissy "UTFSE!" replys.


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Re: Any advice? [Re: lostinethereal]
    #8056060 - 02/22/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

wear sunscreen.:thumbup:


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Re: Any advice? [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #8056068 - 02/22/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

no ur good.... i see knots about three to five more days u should see pins


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Re: Any advice? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8056076 - 02/22/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Don't let the casing layer dry out or it might never pin. Mist, and then lay wax paper over the top of the tray to hold humidity at 100%.
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Re: Any advice? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8057964 - 02/22/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the tips guys. Carefully sticking my finger into the casing mix reveals it's still nice and moist. I think any damage was done on the day of no misting.

I'll be sure to post a picture of pins/fruits when I finally see them.


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Re: Any advice? [Re: lostinethereal]
    #8058049 - 02/22/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Crumple the wax paper first so it creates air pockets so your casing doesn't suffocate.


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Re: Any advice? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8058127 - 02/22/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't have any wax paper handy, would some saran wrap with a few holes poked in it be alright? That way I can get it down onto the casing layer while still providing some air exchange and light to penetrate? Maybe even just pull it tightly over the whole casing trey?


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Re: Any advice? [Re: lostinethereal]
    #8058206 - 02/22/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No. Just reading your post. Coir in a casing at 50% isn't suitable as a casing. It's just adding a layer of substrate because of the nutrients. Overlay is very frequent more then ever with coco coir as a casing, in that high of a %. Coir can be added best results at a 50% peat, 40% vermiculite, 10% coco coir.

Also mushroom mycelium metabolites will eat straight through that aluminum. Black lasagna, bus boy, sweater boxes work best as they don't like to side pin. I'm not good with words but I know this for a fact.

Just increase Fan and Mist. Mist before fan. Keep the casing hydrated. Here's a tek on why this guy hates coco coir as a casing.


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2480695/an/0/page/2


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