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Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment.
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OBAMA: You know, I’ve heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon — supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon. Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq.
OBAMA: And as a consequence, they didn’t have enough ammunition, they didn’t have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief.
OBAMA: Now, that’s a consequence of bad judgment. And you know, the question is, on the critical issues that we face right now, who’s going to show the judgment to lead? And I think that on every critical issue that we’ve seen in foreign policy over the last several years — going into Iraq originally, I didn’t just oppose it for the sake of opposing it. I said this is going to distract us from Afghanistan; this is going to fan the flames of anti-American sentiment; it’s going to cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives and overstretch our military. And I was right.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/21/debate.transcript/index.html
WTF our troops are using Taliban weapons because U.S troops don’t have weapons of their own?
So our troops are now scavenging from captured/dead Taliban? Scavenging for Guns and munitions because our military is so strained from Iraq.....

THIS IDIOT CANNOT BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF!
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
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Why, because he sees a problem with not protecting our own troops well enough and he seeks to improve it?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: fireworks_god]
#8055907 - 02/22/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think he meant Dubbya, but IDK.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: fireworks_god]
#8055983 - 02/22/08 11:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Why, because he sees a problem with not protecting our own troops well enough and he seeks to improve it?
Honestly, do you believe we are not suppling our troops with guns???????
what are we fighting the Taliban with? Sling shots?
It scares the fuck out of me that the potential Commander in Chief believes this crap.....
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8055997 - 02/22/08 11:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This also happened frequently in Vietnam. It wasn't uncommon for U.S. soldiers to ditch their M-16 for an AK-47 off a dead Charlie. The M-16 (original models) were prone to jamming because of its complex mechanisms. The AK-47 only had three moving parts, so it was a good alternative. However, the unmistakable sound of an AK-47 often brought on friendly fire from other soldiers.
I wouldn't be surprised. I've heard elsewhere that the equipment is starting to wear out. And with good reason. It gets used. A LOT. So I wouldn't doubt there's some validity to his statements.
But yeah, he shouldn't be president.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8056012 - 02/22/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/255488.php
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A few points:
* Lieutenants command platoons. Captains command companies. * The U.S. Army would not, under any circumstance, split up a rifle platoon and ship half of them to Iraq and the other half to Afghanistan. They train to work as a team. This simply would not occur, ever. * There has never been a shortage of weapons or ammunition for U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. On occasion, American forces (especially Special Forces) have used Soviet weapon designs, but they have done so by choice, not necessity.
In the clip above, everything Barack Obama said was a lie... probably including the part where he said he spoke with an Army Captain (has anyone checked to seek if Deval Patrick spoke with Jesse McBeth?).
This leaves us with two possibilities.
Barack Obama is a liar. He (or someone he plagiarized) simply made the tale up out of the whole cloth.
Barack Obama is a rube. Anyone with any sense of how the military works at all would immediately sniff this out as a series of false stories. Perhaps Barack Obama, the man who would be Commander in Cheif, is so ignorant of all matters military that he could be easily fooled by a fraud.
Neither possibility says anything good about Obama.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8056080 - 02/22/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I keep waiting for that third choice.:(
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: MistaUNGA]
#8056090 - 02/22/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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that makes a lot more sense then Obama claiming they are so poorly equipped that they have no choice but to fight with captured enemy weapons.....
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: Icelander]
#8056096 - 02/22/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I keep waiting for that third choice.:(
Ron Paul?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8056109 - 02/22/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
In the clip above, everything Barack Obama said was a lie... probably including the part where he said he spoke with an Army Captain (has anyone checked to seek if Deval Patrick spoke with Jesse McBeth?).
This leaves us with two possibilities.
Barack Obama is a liar. He (or someone he plagiarized) simply made the tale up out of the whole cloth.
Barack Obama is a rube. Anyone with any sense of how the military works at all would immediately sniff this out as a series of false stories. Perhaps Barack Obama, the man who would be Commander in Cheif, is so ignorant of all matters military that he could be easily fooled by a fraud.
Neither possibility says anything good about Obama.
IMO he's BOTH! (ignorant and a liar)
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: bradmassive]
#8056120 - 02/22/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I keep waiting for that third choice.:(
Ron Paul?
Unfortunately Ron Paul says he can't afford to lose focus on the next primary for his House seat.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8056168 - 02/22/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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that's old news buddy! you gotta get the latest! this is a good end of the week for ron paul.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8056169 - 02/22/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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bradmassive said:
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Icelander said: I keep waiting for that third choice.:(
Ron Paul?
Unfortunately Ron Paul says he can't afford to lose focus on the next primary for his House seat.
They are trying to shoot him in the ass by taking away his house seat. I say vote for Paul since Obama is such a lying, ignorant fuck.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8056195 - 02/22/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Unfortunately Ron Paul says he can't afford to lose focus on the next primary for his House seat.
He's sticking with the Presidential race as well, as you can still vote for him in your states primary or caucus.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8056244 - 02/22/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow. Dubya's been lying and idioting for like, 8 years now. This guy drops one out, and you're surprised?
Politicians lie. Duh. We're talking about a profession where changing your mind because new evidence has come to light is viewed as a weakness.
Know why he lied? Cause it's a bullshit war, and he wants to stop it. Why? There's probably around 100 reasons, all of which can't really be gone over in an interview, and most of which everyone is already familiar with.
So yeah, rather than spouting the same old drivel that hasn't gotten anyone else elected, he either fibbed or allowed himself to believe a fib.
Eight goddamned years we've been flooded with what's obviously pro war lies and propaganda, and ANY of you are surprised that the anti war side dosen't have it's own lies an propaganda?
Obama is playing the game, and he's playing it how it's played.
I'll vote for him because he clearly opposses the war, and that's pretty much the issue that concerns me.
He won't win, cause he's black.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: bradmassive]
#8056249 - 02/22/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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They are trying to shoot him in the ass by taking away his house seat. I say vote for Paul since Obama is such a lying, ignorant fuck.
Who is this mystical "they" and how are they "taking away" his House seat?
Ron Paul, Pussy.
Apparently he refuses to debate his opponent and suggests that his opponent go "debate himself". http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/017055.php#comments
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: crumblebum]
#8056334 - 02/22/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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crumblebum said: I'll vote for him because he clearly opposses the war, and that's pretty much the issue that concerns me.
He won't win, cause he's black.
which war does he "clearly" oppose?
The future war in Pakistan
I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
Barack Obama
The ongoing war in Afghanistan?
"One of the things that I think is critical, as the next president, is to make absolutely certain that we not only phase out the Iraq but we also focus on the critical battle that we have in Afghanistan and root out al Qaeda. If we do not do that, then we're going to potentially see another attack here in the US."
Barack Obama
Or the War in Iraq?
Q: Will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your first term, there will be no US troops in Iraq?
A: "I think it's hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingency will be out there. I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don't want to make promises, not knowing what the situation's going to be three or four years out."
Obama won't win, not "cause he's black" but because he is full of shit.....
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8056354 - 02/22/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know some Marines who have been in Afghanistan that used AK-74's... because using a M16 or SAW was "too easy."
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8056765 - 02/22/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: This leaves us with two possibilities.
Barack Obama is a liar.
Barack Obama is a rube.
Neither possibility says anything good about Obama.
Fuck but you people will believe anything if it fits in with your worldview.
If you'll tolerate a brief intrusion from reality, which I know is a scary thing for you...
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The Associated Press said:
The Obama campaign offered no details to support the captain's story, making it impossible to verify. A spokesman did not immediately respond to questions about who the captain was and when and how the candidate learned about the allegation.
ABC News said it talked to the unidentified captain, whose account of shortages in Afghanistan was for the most part accurately summarized by Obama, although not verified.
The captain said, however, that the unit did not go after the Taliban for the purpose of getting their weapons, but sometimes used those weapons when some were captured.
Obama said the platoon was supposed to have 39 soldiers. A platoon does not have to consist of 39, but can have between 16 to 40 soldiers, according to standard Army unit organization. It is also commanded by a lieutenant and not a captain.
According to the ABC report, the captain was a lieutenant when he took command of the rifle platoon.
But you're right, I'm sure the monolithically liberal ABC Newsroom has decided to fabricate this soldier in order to collude w/ the Obama camp to steal the nomination.
What the fuck ever. I love how the apes on the Right bash the press one day for covering a Mccain story with no evidence, then turn around and call Barack Obama a liar WITH NO FUCKING EVIDENCE.
Double standard much, morons?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8056858 - 02/22/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just posted a link. Here's another one:
http://minx.cc/?post=255523
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Tapper sternly scolds bloggers for calling bullshit on Obama, but right there, he himself calls bullshit -- he just wants to pretend Obama's got it right. The source himself denies he had to "capture" enemy weapons and equipment to fight -- he is claiming that he did in fact use such weapons on occasion, but that is different than warfare generally... how?
As for not having the weapons to train with at home -- well, that sounds like bullshit too. Tapper thinks his job is done if he merely talks to a guy making these claims; but perhaps he should actually do some actual reporting and find out if our army is being denied key ammunition in training.
The left has a habit of claiming victory when some small detail is corroborated. Obama fucking claimed our troops HAD TO -- not chose to on occasion -- capture the very weapons with which they were expected to fight the enemy.
Tapper gets a guy claiming "Yeah, once we took a captured Soviet heavy machine gun and used it on a truck."
Then they say, "Ah-ha! You owe Obama an apology! He was Right!"
They did the exact same thing with Beauchamp.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: zappaisgod]
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So you'll only agree to believe Obama's story if we agree to believe the one that is against Beauchamp's?
Is that really your point?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8056909 - 02/22/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Obama said:
"They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief."
so did he lie or is he just Ignorant?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8057003 - 02/22/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Obama said: "they didn't have enough ammunition"
and if our guys don't have the proper equipment and weapons so we're forced to capture theirs
how are we dong it????
we must have some bad ass troops!
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8057182 - 02/22/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Now do you think that not having enough ammunition means waking up one day and saying "well we're all out now," or do you think it means realizing you don't have what you expect you'll need?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8057191 - 02/22/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: Obama said:
"They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief."
so did he lie or is he just Ignorant?
Possibly neither. Saying they didn't go after the Taliban specifically to get their weapons isn't the same as saying that they didn't take their weapons due to inadequate supply of their own, or that if they hadn't taken them they would not possibly have experienced or risked a shortage.
You put much too much effort into smearing... I think you're dumbing yourself down.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
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Right, because our troops are so well equipped right? Because it's not like the army wouldn't supply troops with essential equipment like body armor right? Because we're certainly not over-extended in both Iraq and Afghanistan right? So there's absolutely no way U.S. troops ever used Taliban equipment right? Seriously, get a clue.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
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fireworks_god said: Why, because he sees a problem with not protecting our own troops well enough and he seeks to improve it?
Honestly, do you believe we are not suppling our troops with guns???????
what are we fighting the Taliban with? Sling shots?
It scares the fuck out of me that the potential Commander in Chief believes this crap.....
Where have you been? This is old news...
You do know that our troops weren't even properly supplied in Iraq? Some carried AK's instead of m4s or m16s., humvies were shit, etc.
Do you remember what Rumsfeld said? "You don't go with the army you want but with the army you got" or something along those lines. You don't remember him saying that as a response to critics?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: downforpot]
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NATO is about ready to break up because America abandoned Afghanistan for all practical purposes and is trying to hold NATO with the check. The Secretary of the Defense spends more time going at Germany as though they are in debt of troops, and Germany is wondering what the fuck it ever did to get into Afghanistan in the first place.
Afghanistan is why we went into the Middle East with war like this. Iraq was not suspossed to in the agenda, fighting al-Qaeda was, and Obama is saying we need to get out Iraq because we've done them a favor enough and have given them a chance to make their government as they wish, but to go back into Afghanistan first to finish the job before we pull out all major presence, simply keeping a strategic strike presence in case of an emergency. He then wants to equip that force with better-rotated troops, and with more technological advances.
By the sounds of it, Iraq could take care of itself if we left but Afghanistan can't until we finish the job. He was suggesting strikes into Pakistan that bypassed the Pakistani government because he knew they would not act in our interest and that we face no real loss from losing their favor in doing so because we could tactically strike them in a heartbeat if we needed to do so. Now, right as John McCain tried to criticize that judgement of Obama, we found out that the military is now carrying out these strikes, and it is working to kill al-Qaeda.
Obama might very well have embellished the story, it does have some basis in the reality of the matter, but time and time again, people forget that the majority of the American people are not informed and a lot of them are simply stupid.
He can't explain to them interrelated concepts regarding foreign policy because they don't understand it. He runs an effective campaign, even if it means he uses a couple of lines from a chairman on his campaign or embellishes a point. That simply makes him a clever politician. I know the idea that a politician would be a politician is denounable, but it clearly works, its the nature of the beast. That doesn't, of course, mean that it can't be known what he will actually seek to do as President.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: Gastronomicus]
#8060043 - 02/23/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: Right, because our troops are so well equipped right? Because it's not like the army wouldn't supply troops with essential equipment like body armor right? Because we're certainly not over-extended in both Iraq and Afghanistan right? So there's absolutely no way U.S. troops ever used Taliban equipment right? Seriously, get a clue.
WOW no bullets and now no Body Armor?
did Obama say that?
"the army does not supply our troops with body armor"
do you have a link?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8060512 - 02/23/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Congress has allocated funds for all U.S. troops to wear 16-pound, ceramic-plated Interceptor body armor (search), but as many as 51,000 American soldiers and civilian administrators in Iraq have not yet been equipped with the gear, and have been asking friends and families at home to purchase and send them off-the-shelf models for protection."
"Pentagon sources said that in the initial phase of hostilities with Iraq, all American combat forces were equipped with the Interceptor, but the Defense Department was not prepared to equip so many occupying forces. Reservists and troops recently rotated to Iraq have particularly suffered from the lack of gear."
"U.S. soldiers not issued the Interceptor equipment are using enhanced versions of the Vietnam-era flak jackets, which are incapable of stopping a round from a Kalashnikov (search) or AK-47, the most common weapon in Iraq."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101061,00.html
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8060546 - 02/23/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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Gastronomicus said: Seriously, get a clue.
WOW no bullets and now no Body Armor?
did Obama say that?
"the army does not supply our troops with body armor"
do you have a link?
Summer, 1999 - The Interceptor body armor replaces the PASGT as standard issue body armor for front-line soldiers in the Army. The vest weighs 8 pounds, and two ceramic Small Arms Protective Inserts (SAPI) each weigh 4 pounds, for a total of 16 pounds. It can stop shrapnel and small-arms fire, including that of an AK-47. The Army plans to issue Interceptor body armor to U.S. forces gradually, over an eight-year period ending in 2007.
"standard issue body armor for front-line soldiers in the Army."
So please please please show me a link where our front line troops did not have body armor.
October 7, 2001 - Operation Enduring Freedom commences to remove the Taliban from power in Afghanistan. Army distributes Interceptor armor to military personnel during this operation.
March 20, 2003 - Operation Iraqi Freedom begins. At the time, the Interceptor body armor is issued standard to Army and Marine ground troops. Most support troops (such as truck drivers) and National Guard and Reserve troops still lack the bullet-stopping Interceptor armor, however. In anticipation of the war, the Pentagon already has increased its orders sharply. As the war starts quarterly orders for vests reach 77,000 – nine times higher than pre-war levels. Orders for plates reach 109,000, eleven times higher than previously.
So most of the support troops (such as truck drivers) still did not have the improved body armor immediately....
May 2003 - Army orders Interceptor body armor be issued to all soldiers, including support troops.
October 2003 - Military commanders order that Interceptor armor be given to all military and civilian personnel in Iraq, Kuwait, and Afghanistan.
January 2004 - All soldiers serving in Iraq have been issued body armor according to US Central Command.
January 2004 - All soldiers serving in Iraq have been issued body armor according to US Central Command.
http://www.factcheck.org/article438.html
FACT The front line troops always had body armor.
FACT the truck drivers, support troops and civilians received the body armor a few months later....
I Seriously, got a clue!
Some people don't let the FACTS get in the way of misrepresenting any given situation for their own political gain.....
Edited by lonestar2004 (02/23/08 01:57 PM)
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8060557 - 02/23/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Did you even read what the Fox news article?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: downforpot]
#8060566 - 02/23/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Reservists and troops recently rotated to Iraq have particularly suffered from the lack of gear."
so do you by any chance know how many reservists/support troops died in the few months of not having the improved body armor?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: downforpot]
#8060574 - 02/23/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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downforpot said: Did you even read what the Fox news article?
yes i did.
did you read the facts.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8060578 - 02/23/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Reservists and troops recently rotated to Iraq have particularly suffered from the lack of gear."
so do you by any chance know how many reservists/support troops died in the few months of not having the improved body armor?
That is a disingenuous question and proves absolutely nothing. Anecdotal evidence is not true evidence.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8060585 - 02/23/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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downforpot said: Did you even read what the Fox news article?
yes i did.
did you read the facts.
I read the actual website. All of their sources are .gov sites. LOL Very independent reporting, lol.
This is really old news.... I am honestly astonished that you have been living under a rock or just straight up believing what the government agencies say....
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8060590 - 02/23/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the fact is that for a few months truck drivers and civilians did not have the improved armor.
wow....
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8060602 - 02/23/08 02:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Spc. Thomas Wilson of the Tennessee Army National Guard asked Rumsfeld to explain why vehicle armor is still in scarce supply. "Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to 'up-armor' our vehicles?" Wilson asked. Applause and loud cheers erupted from many of the 2,300 soldiers at the meeting.
Standing his ground, Rumsfeld responded, "You go to war with the Army you have."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-12-08-rumsfeld-iraq_x.htm
"But, like thousands of U.S. soldiers, his wife was not given the vital ceramic plates for her Kevlar Interceptor vest to protect her from bullet wounds. Instead, he said, she had to scavenge to find plates left behind by Iraqi soldiers — plates of inferior quality that do not properly fit her vest."
"Obituaries and news accounts raise the disturbing prospect that we have had soldiers seriously wounded or killed due to the shortage of body armor. Many note wounds to the chest and stomach areas — areas that might have been protected by the Interceptor vests and plates."
"The Pentagon confirms that at least 40,000 of the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq don't have basic Kevlar Interceptor vests or the ceramic plates needed for full protection."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-12-17-turley_x.htm
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: downforpot]
#8060633 - 02/23/08 02:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If we built 8 inch think steel boxes surrounding our troops and we insulated them with bubble wrap and buried them in a deep hole in the ground to insure absolute protection!
would that make you happy?
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8060644 - 02/23/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You are avoiding the statements. The fact is that our troops were not properly supplied.
I also know that war is dangerous but at least admit that some of our troops were not properly equipped.
I also edited my post while you were replying. You can edit your reply if you want.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: downforpot]
#8060665 - 02/23/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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downforpot said: You are avoiding the statements. The fact is that our troops were not properly supplied.
I also know that war is dangerous but at least admit that some of our troops were not properly equipped.
i already have admitted that for a few months "support troops' (not front line troops). were not properly equipped with the improved equipment.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8060679 - 02/23/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Everyone is a target in Iraq. You don't have to be infantry on the front line to die considering that a lot of casualties are from IED's so it doesn't matter if you are front line or support, you will still get killed while driving on the roads.
So basically the front line is everywhere...
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8062286 - 02/23/08 08:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: If we built 8 inch think steel boxes surrounding our troops and we insulated them with bubble wrap and buried them in a deep hole in the ground to insure absolute protection!
would that make you happy?
Wow, so that is what your arguement has been reduced to?
You are talking about human life here, you know. If there are technological advances that can be implemented to provide better protection to troops and it can be done in some sort of cost-effective manner, then it needs to be done, or it needs to be worked towards more, because losing people is never a good thing. Our military would hold a more secure footing in those countries if it is properly defended.
Anyways, it seems like we're not going to get much further than disagreement on how well equipped the troops actually are, there have been news articles to suggest they haven't, but ultimately anything more is just unsubstantiated discussion like this beautiful quotation above.
Its all pretty irrelevant because I don't see how Obama standing up and stating that he wants to better equip our troops, even if he embellishes on a fact to express that point to a less intelligent audience, is a trait that is not suitable for a commander-in-chief.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: lonestar2004]
#8064913 - 02/24/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this scares me less than what the current commander and chief belives in.
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Re: Obama: US soldiers in Afghanistan so poorly equipped they use Taliban equipment. [Re: afoaf]
#8065484 - 02/24/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Barack Obama
Or the War in Iraq?
Q: Will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your first term, there will be no US troops in Iraq?
A: "I think it's hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingency will be out there. I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don't want to make promises, not knowing what the situation's going to be three or four years out."
Obama won't win, not "cause he's black" but because he is full of shit.....
Having 0 troops in a country is not the same as not being at war with them, which was the point to which you were responding to.
We have troops in many countries. We're not at war with any of them, and can only be seen to be involved in a war in two of them.
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