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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Icelander]
#8060556 - 02/23/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: All culture.
One cannot expect justice in this world. If you get some then that's the breaks. Each of us is on our own whether we realize it or not. The value in realizing it is then one can act on that knowledge.
Working for social justice doesn't necessitate EXPECTING justice. It doesn't mean holding justice up as an ideal and standard. It just means working towards it. There may never be justice in our world. But that's okay. That doesn't mean that we can't work towards it.
If no one ever worked toward justice, then our world as we know it would be drastically different. Slavery, oligarchs, so much more destitution.
We're always on our own, but we live together. The value in realizing this is that one can then work for balance, justice, and social harmony.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: dblaney]
#8060712 - 02/23/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That doesn't mean that we can't work towards it.
Don't let me stop you. It's a great diversion at the least.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Icelander]
#8061134 - 02/23/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't let me stop you. It's a great diversion at the least.
I wasn't planning on it. A diversion though? Diversion from what?
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: dblaney]
#8061147 - 02/23/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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From all the other things one can do with a life.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Icelander]
#8061192 - 02/23/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: From all the other things one can do with a life.
I mean, it's one thing one can do with a life, but I'm confused why you used the word diversion, because it suggests that there's some other more natural or proper course of life (it's defined as "1: the act or an instance of diverting from a course, activity, or use : deviation ") that such work is diverting from...
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: dblaney]
#8061215 - 02/23/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Everything is a diversion from something else.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Icelander]
#8061873 - 02/23/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright fair enough.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: dblaney]
#8061947 - 02/23/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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For me personally it's a distraction I don't feel I can afford. While social action can have effect in the short run I don't believe it does in the long run and there is no way to be sure ones attempts will have the desired result.
I'm not concerned with the outcome of the human race anymore. I'm more interested in eternity whatever that is.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Icelander]
#8062641 - 02/23/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think "[X] Pride" is vital from a pedagogical standpoint. I've heard so many white people scoff at racial pride, and straight people scoff at gay pride, but the fact is that these ideas are important to young people whose egos are still forming. If there was no one there to tell a gay or black teenager that it's ok for them to be proud of who they are, there are a lot of places in this country (with racist and/or homophobic majorities) where they would grow up with the ingrained idea that they are inferior because of their inherent difference. Pride movements are there to show the young'uns that their ancestors and forebears were not, in fact, wastes of human life, but included important and accomplished people. Basically, I agree with NN that it's an important step for an oppressed group in escaping a subordinate position.
There are always the haters (I'm comfortable calling them that here) who demand "What about WHITE pride?" or "STRAIGHT pride?" These people truly seem to be missing the point that we live in a white-dominated and homophobic society. They also seem to ignore that pride movements are generally peaceful, making them more desirable than other forms of social backlash.
There are always people who take it too far, but that does not invalidate the whole.
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