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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8059032 - 02/23/08 01:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: Is there some kind of ranking system
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: TheCow]
#8059035 - 02/23/08 01:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ahhh how cute, the wittle swami feels all left out. Don't be so sad
Seeing as how I am not Irish, I am unsure of your point.
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All Ill say on this extremely unintelligent topic is that its absurd to compare the Irish being discriminated against in some areas with the discrimination against black people.
You may say that being ignorant of early Irish-American history.
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Your whole argument is too absurd for me to bother with.
Which is why you bothered to respond.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Which is why you bothered to respond.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: dblaney]
#8059323 - 02/23/08 04:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Past races and gays were meant to feel inferior and have this imprinted on them, thus they now feel the need to be so proud about everything, they jst need to do it instead of letting go, so in turn probably see themsleves as superior to get over this, ie the blackman is god and all that crap, we are ALL god!
The other day this woman came up to me in the street (this old crackhead looking black woman) sorry but she did look like that, and she said to me why do all white men look so full of themselves, when this is just how she perceives white men! As me and my (black) friend were just chillin, just observing life!
She has this perception we think were superior or something so needs to feel so black and so proud to overcome this.
Then i asked her why do black men walk down the street grabbing theyre nuts and talking so loudly just to shut her up
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Chronic7]
#8059327 - 02/23/08 04:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Crabs? Jock itch?
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: TheCow]
#8059969 - 02/23/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: Is there some kind of ranking system
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Care to explain it to me? Which group is the #1 most oppressed? I'd like a list please, in order from most to least oppressed, including historical cases. I'd also like a concise synopsis of the criteria for ranking if you could.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8059980 - 02/23/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anybody can be oppressed. I am proud to be part of the dominator culture.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8060029 - 02/23/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright, Ill get that to you. Just wait a bit
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. *DELETED* [Re: TheCow]
#8060057 - 02/23/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- Alcoholics Anonymous Narcotics Anonymous Get help, help is free and available 24/7/365. God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin. Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Chemy]
#8060128 - 02/23/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can't apply for those things because you're a white man? Give me a break.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8060165 - 02/23/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You are hereby granted one break.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: MushroomTrip]
#8060245 - 02/23/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said: I am sorry, but this is remains the basic implication of the word, and this triggers many psychological aspects. Proud is not the equivalent of normal (as in natural). Why should someone feel proud because they're gay? "I am proud" is the answer for "I am not ashamed", and as long as we answer to shame we're dealing with an imbalance.
Who said proud is the same thing as normal?
The working definition of proud is posted above, so let's go from there. And as you've been so keen to point out, if psychological 'aspects' (what does that mean exactly?) are triggered, that is your work, not anyone else's.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Icelander]
#8060260 - 02/23/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can agree that there may be a time in someones life when they need to take these steps on the learning path. I certainly did. But the sooner over it the better.
You speak as though moving towards social justice and equality is immature and as though there is something more mature and advanced than that (perhaps passivity?)?
You're right, I do see it as immature and I already stated why. Go back and read it.
Okay, I went back but couldn't find anything. I saw this:
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I disagree. IMO as long as anyone identifies with any group they become a pawn in a cultural drama, either being oppressed or an oppressor. There is much more freedom to be had in identifying with yourself alone.
But that's not talking about social justice.
So please explain again why you see it as immature.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: dblaney]
#8060287 - 02/23/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Same thing applies to social justice.
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MushmanTheManic said: I just think it is dumb to identify yourself by your skin color or sexual orientation.
Dumb or not, a lot of people do it. White heterosexual males (WHM) are generally considered the norm. Think about it...when is it necessary for WHM to qualify their skin color or sexual orientation? Other skin colors and orientations are qualified "black man" "gay man", but how often do white men refer to themselves as white men? Rarely, and I argue that's because race and orientation here are taken for granted.
Not so with minorities. Minority groups become acutely aware of their skin color and orientation through the socialization process. Through learning about their oppression throughout history, through institutionalized racism, through oppressive laws and policies, etc.
Their identity as their race/sexual orientation is thrust onto them. It's hard not to take up that identity. But I agree that it can be let go of.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Icelander]
#8060307 - 02/23/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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How?
I'm not seeing clearly how identifying with a certain group has anything to do with social justice?
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: dblaney]
#8060332 - 02/23/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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All culture.
One cannot expect justice in this world. If you get some then that's the breaks. Each of us is on our own whether we realize it or not. The value in realizing it is then one can act on that knowledge.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Icelander]
#8060393 - 02/23/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I feel oppressed and discriminated because I can not apply for welfare, medicaid or scholarships or Government loans because I am a white male.
Bullshit. You weren't granted Medicaid because you're not poor enough. You weren't granted scholarships because you either were qualified for merit awards or weren't poor enough for need-based aid. The student loans, you must have fucked up somehow because I am certainly not low-income and was eligible for student loans.
It has nothing to do with you being white.
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. *DELETED* [Re: Redstorm]
#8060428 - 02/23/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: Chemy]
#8060462 - 02/23/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Did you research what qualifies you for being eligible b/c I'm pretty sure it says nothing about skin pigmentation.
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