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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058526 - 02/22/08 09:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah,:thumbup:


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058577 - 02/22/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That list doesn't prove anything




What exactly did I state that my stories proved?


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8058587 - 02/22/08 10:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Did you make that post just for fun? Because I was under the impression that, when engaged in debate, everything one says is generally intended to contribute support for the thesis of one's argument.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058600 - 02/22/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Barely on topic, but once in the sixth grade, we were celebrating black history month. I asked my teacher why white people didn't have our own history month. All of a sudden, the black kids get up in a rage and fizzy and in the end I got sent to the timeout room where the bad kids go.

By people having "pride" you only seperate and distinguish yourself further from the rest.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058602 - 02/22/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That's definitely true of everything I say.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: appleorange]
    #8058619 - 02/22/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's pretty lame that you got a timeout considering you probably were just sincerely curious and didn't understand the situation. It would have been more helpful for the teacher to simply explain why black history month exists. That way it could have been a positive learning experience for everyone.

This reminds me of the time I ruined a kids art project because I thought all those crayon shavings were trash... I got a severely harangued for it when I was only trying to help her tidy up so she could get on with the project! Life is hard in kindergarten.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058633 - 02/22/08 10:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I want Irish history month. :hissyfit: The Irish were seriously discriminated against until they got a foothold.

And what of the Chinese? Or the AmerIndians?


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8058658 - 02/22/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sure, why not. :shrug:


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058664 - 02/22/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

And Icelander month?


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8058797 - 02/22/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

For the most part, the "Pride groups" seem to be a backlash against discrimination. "You don't like black folks, eh? Well... I'm DAMN PROUD to be BLACK, honky!" It is important not to be ashamed of yourself just because you are a minority, but it takes more than pride to overcome discrimination.

Personally, I think it is more effective for groups that experience discrimination to try to find common ground with the majority and advance the idea that, even though they are 'different', they are still a productive part of society and do not deserve to be disrespected. How is something like a Gay Pride Parade supposed to help integrate gays into the society? If anything, it strengthens the stereotypes associated with being gay and creates stronger divisions between heterosexuals and homosexuals.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8058824 - 02/22/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So minority groups should assimilate into dominant culture in order to be accepted?


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058838 - 02/22/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You talkin to me?


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058873 - 02/23/08 12:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you mean they should be incorporated into society - having their differences viewed as if it where any other benign difference (hair color, height, etc) - then yes.

If you mean that they should conform to the "mean of society," then... that doesn't make any damn sense considering the purpose of a Gay/Black/Hispanic "Pride group."


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8058897 - 02/23/08 12:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Can you rephrase your second sentence? I don't grasp your intended meaning.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058904 - 02/23/08 12:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I do not think people should try to alter some aspect of their personality, beliefs, physical body, etc in order to be accepted by the majority of people in a society.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8058950 - 02/23/08 12:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks. I agree. I got the impression from your earlier post that you were advocating the opposite.

On that note, I don't think that pride parades are intended to integrate homos into dominant society. I have my own qualms with the Pride Parade (the commercialization of queer culture, for one...) But really, the point is probably more about having fun than anything else. I imagine that back in the day it was a sort of fuck-you to the mainstream that would have found any overt public expression of homosexuality to be utterly repugnant. If you think about it, it's probably contributed positively to the changing attitudes we've seen recently. Making queer culture public creates an accessible, visible support network for people who'd otherwise be closeted and possibly isolated.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8058967 - 02/23/08 12:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I just think it is dumb to identify yourself by your skin color or sexual orientation.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8058997 - 02/23/08 12:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I hear ya. But do you understand the important role identity politics have played in the past? Perhaps it's time to transcend it (and we could debate this for years) but that doesn't mean it hasn't played a beneficial role.

On that note, queers definitly have the best dance parties.


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8059019 - 02/23/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I want Irish history month. :hissyfit: The Irish were seriously discriminated against until they got a foothold.

And what of the Chinese? Or the AmerIndians?



ahhh how cute, the wittle swami feels all left out.  :smilingpuppy: 
Don't be so sad

All Ill say on this extremely unintelligent topic is that its absurd to compare the Irish being discriminated against in some areas with the discrimination against black people. Your whole argument is too absurd for me to bother with.  Take it to mysticism my man


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Re: Gay Pride, Black Pride, etc. [Re: TheCow]
    #8059024 - 02/23/08 01:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well, it's kind of silly to create hierarchies of oppression. Is there some kind of ranking system in which bragging rights go to whoever belongs to the most oppressed minority (extra points to those in 2 or more groups)?


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