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Stronger strains of cubensis?
    #8055026 - 02/22/08 01:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

are mushrooms being cultivated a lot better these days with all the new strains of cubensis going around, are there any strains that are more potent than usual cubensis? Cubensis that are about 5.5mg psilocybin content per dried gram is what I'm used to seeing, but are there any that have more? Anyone experienced with stronger cubes? What kinds are they?


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8055061 - 02/22/08 01:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

check out the strain thread. i think its in mushroom cultivation.

ive heard that PE is considerably more potent than other strains. other than that, they say "a cube is a cube". :shrug:


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: sonicnirvana]
    #8055154 - 02/22/08 03:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

cubensis is a powerful strain of mushroom that can lead you into infinite experiences. though they are moderate in terms of psilocybin content (pans/azures+powerful). the tc i have grown have turned out to be more powerful than other cubensis i have tried. 2gs is all i take!


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8055415 - 02/22/08 07:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

As always, a cube is a cube for the most part. Some might tell you that they had a different experience on PESH vs.Cambo vs. B+ and so on; but I honestly think it's just some false psychology playing into that, not totally true. Pan Cyans are also indoor strains and considerably more potent though, maybe that's what you're looking for.


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Robo]
    #8055991 - 02/22/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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As always, a cube is a cube for the most part. Some might tell you that they had a different experience on PESH vs.Cambo vs.  B+ and so on; but I honestly think it's just some false psychology playing into that, not totally true. Pan Cyans are also indoor strains and considerably more potent though, maybe that's what you're looking for.




Agreed. :thumbup:


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Craighead]
    #8056375 - 02/22/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Oh yeah and potency can slightly vary depending on the substrate used and growing parameters and all that jazz, but that's about it. A cube is a cube is a cube indeed :stoned:


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8056519 - 02/22/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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are mushrooms being cultivated a lot better these days with all the new strains of cubensis going around, are there any strains that are more potent than usual cubensis?



I haven't seen any credible evidence which demonstrates a consistent and appreciable difference in potency among different strains of cubensis. Remember that fungi reproduce in a different way than plants such as marijuana. It's easy to selectively breed and hybridize different strains of pot because all you have to do is pollinate the female plants with the male plants, which is (part of the reason) why we have strains today which are far more potent than those which were common 50 years ago. The manner in which fungi reproduce, combined with the difficulty in assessing the potency of mushrooms in comparison to pot, has meant that the main differences between strains of cubensis comes first from their physical appearance and characteristics.
I look forward to the day when someone with sufficient resources does a comprehensive, scientific evaluation about the nature of variation in potency among different strains of cubensis but until that day we'll have to go with what we know which is that (unlike pot) you can't name a strain that is universally more potent (or noticeably different in its effects) than others.


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #8056576 - 02/22/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

a few of my favorites...

any albino or albino hybrid (PFA, Falbino, APE, PE uncut etc)

PR and Matias Romero.. both can be a challenge to grow well, but are well worth the effort. especially if cloned or isolated.


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #8056810 - 02/22/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks everyone for your feedback. I was asking this cause someone wanted $200 for a half oz of cubes...I don't think I'm going to pay that, even if I haven't done them in a year, that's way too expensive. If a cube is a cube an eighth should be around $20, which is what I've always paid, so a half would be $80..


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8056844 - 02/22/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You could grow easily man, why give someone else your hard earned money for mushrooms?


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Robo]
    #8056968 - 02/22/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Whatya guys think about Amazons..same potency as Mexican...give or take?
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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: deadheadjpc2000]
    #8057073 - 02/22/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Whatya guys think about Amazons..same potency as Mexican...give or take?
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Omni said:
As always, a cube is a cube for the most part. Some might tell you that they had a different experience on PESH vs.Cambo vs. B+ and so on; but I honestly think it's just some false psychology playing into that, not totally true. Pan Cyans are also indoor strains and considerably more potent though, maybe that's what you're looking for.




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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Craighead]
    #8057095 - 02/22/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Though a cube is a cube the human eating them is never the same.
This is how we get these crazy ideas that one batch has crazy visuals, when last years batch was more of a mind high. The cubes have remained the same for thousands of years, but the people eating them evolve daily.


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Fraggin]
    #8057113 - 02/22/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I noticed, commercially, there is a difference in pricing between the strains of Cubes...Quite a bit of dif., actually...
And yes, the Cope(Pan) Cyans are The Most Potent...
1g=level4, IME...
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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Fraggin]
    #8057114 - 02/22/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Like I said its just psychology


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: deadheadjpc2000]
    #8057138 - 02/22/08 03:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I noticed, commercially, there is a difference in pricing between the strains of Cubes...Quite a bit of dif., actually...





Then whoever is doing that is hustling people. There isn't that significant of a potency difference between them to be able to legitimately charge more if they are all cubensis strains; that is unless they are Copes, Cyans, Azures, and so on.


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: deadheadjpc2000]
    #8057144 - 02/22/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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deadheadjpc2000 said:
I noticed, commercially, there is a difference in pricing between the strains of Cubes...Quite a bit of dif., actually...
And yes, the Cope(Pan) Cyans are The Most Potent...
1g=level4, IME...
Thankx,
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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Craighead]
    #8057155 - 02/22/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have to contradict my own post above....
Some strains seem more visual than others.


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Fraggin]
    #8057177 - 02/22/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Seems all the sites I checked out were the same...fairly large dif. in pricing...
Not neccesarily stronger, per se, but "more visual"....
IDK, I agree that a cube is a cube, but there has to be Some dif.
Never had Azures, but wouldn't want to take more than 1g of copes...
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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: deadheadjpc2000]
    #8057205 - 02/22/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I believe when dosing that each trip is different, therefore giving the illusion that one Cube may be more potent than another...Assuming that you dosed with say...Mexicans and had a great time but a couple of weeks later dosed with Amazons and had a mind blowing experience.

I also feel that set and setting has A LOT to do with how you feel and what you see. :sun:


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: Craighead]
    #8057272 - 02/22/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"I also feel that set and setting has A LOT to do with how you feel and what you see."

Word!!
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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: deadheadjpc2000]
    #8057315 - 02/22/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hey, think about this...

different pot strains induce different effects... right?

because different strains evolved in different regions which adapt to their surroundings, causing different proportions of active chemicals to be produced. now, in modern times we can selectively choose and breed which characteristics we want.

now with mushrooms, why wouldn't it be the same? mushrooms have been evolving long before people have been consuming them. wouldn't a mushroom in north america have different characteristics and different levels of active chemicals than a mushroom in cambodia?

like i said above each different strain would have to evolve differently based on their environment. much like we have different strains of humans, so saying that a cube is a cube would be like saying that white people are not different than black people- trait wise that is.

i'm not exactly sure if this is true or not, but it seems pretty likely.


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8068645 - 02/25/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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hey, think about this...

different pot strains induce different effects... right?

because different strains evolved in different regions which adapt to their surroundings, causing different proportions of active chemicals to be produced. now, in modern times we can selectively choose and breed which characteristics we want.

now with mushrooms, why wouldn't it be the same? mushrooms have been evolving long before people have been consuming them. wouldn't a mushroom in north america have different characteristics and different levels of active chemicals than a mushroom in cambodia?

like i said above each different strain would have to evolve differently based on their environment. much like we have different strains of humans, so saying that a cube is a cube would be like saying that white people are not different than black people- trait wise that is.

i'm not exactly sure if this is true or not, but it seems pretty likely.




Yeah, that's what I thought too...I was thinking that maybe someone who knew enough about mushrooms and genetics could grow more potent shrooms...if not now, I'm sure it would be possible soon.


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8068842 - 02/25/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A few years back I almost flipped out on a low dose of Koh Sumai and wasn't even tripping in the conventional sense. No auditory nor visual distortions, but freaky-ass thoughts.

A friend of mine is a total hardhead and needs very high doses to get off. I gave him two grams and told him nothing of my experience. He said he hated them and nearly lost it. The same thing occured with another friend.

I realize this is merely anecdote, but I tossed 'em all out along with my spores. BTW, they were not contaminated.


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Re: Stronger strains of cubensis? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8068949 - 02/25/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

it's not much harder to cultivate a potent strain than an average strain, so people are going to make the better strains


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