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Advice on Extraction #2
    #8052822 - 02/21/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am going to try another extraction on 50g of MHRB, this time I have pH papers so I will be able to be more exact, I just have a question about the pH. A lot of teks call for 15ml water 1g bark 1g lye but this would yield a pH above 14. To get a pH of 13 in 1L of water I would only need 4g of lye, is this enough or will I need more to obtain this pH?

Also, how much solvent do I need to use?


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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: Cannashroom]
    #8052988 - 02/21/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It doesn't have to be exact, more base won't hurt and should help break down the bark letting more of the dmt out.

50g of base for 50g of bark should be fine.

Again the amount of solvent doesn't have to be exact, say 3 extractions with 50-100mL each time. Just keep the water so if you think you got much less than you should have you can try extracting it more.


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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: jizmaster]
    #8053089 - 02/21/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I only needed 4.4grams of base in 600ml of water to get a pH of 13+/- 1, probably to the higher side. I don't know why you would use 40g base to 40g bark to 600ml water, it would give a pH of 14.22.


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Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: Cannashroom]
    #8053201 - 02/21/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't even bother measuring out how much NaOH or naptha I use anymore, probably like 7 or 8 spoonfuls of NaOH for good measure and anywhere from 200-400ml of naptha per pull. The only things I have seen that affect how much spice you end up with is the quality of the bark and how long/how many times you extract from the bark. With NaOH, the more you add, the pH raises exponentially slower, so if you add too much, it will turn out to be better than worse, I just wouldn't let the bark sit in there for too long, (like 3+ days) because then the spice can start to break down.


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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: darklcd]
    #8055450 - 02/22/08 08:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, something has gone terrible terribly wrong. I did a first pull last night but nothing has happened to my solution outside,It is not even cloudy. I used a lot less lye this time, since i made my pH around 13.2ish rather than 14.2, so about 10x less lye with the nature of the pH scale. Everyone says this pH is fine, but I seem to have gotten nothing from that pull. Furthermore, with my last extraction the bark powder/water didn't seem to settle out as much where in this one the bark powder is easily seen all at the bottom, then there is black liquid then more purple foamy liquid/emulsion then a layer of solvent. When I took the solvent last night it was quite emulsified so didn't get all of it, but i still thought something would precipitate out.

Do i need a higher pH? Should/could I add more lye before and mix before i take the solvent from the second pull, or should it take solvent and see what I get, or take solvent and then make it more alkaline?


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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: Cannashroom]
    #8055526 - 02/22/08 08:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's possible that a strong NaOH solution is needed to break down the bark and release the DMT. It's insoluble in basic water so you can't really expect it to come out.

It should be ok to add more NaOH, just do it slowly so it doesn't get too hot and boil off the solvent! Then leave it until you can't really see the bark any more before separating the solvent.


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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: jizmaster]
    #8055554 - 02/22/08 08:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The thing is the bark is already powdered so finely it creates dust in the air, I don't think it is a problem with the bark breaking down. I am going to take the solvent off the top because there is no room to put in lye, then add lye and try another pull, hopefully i will get some because i don't want a failed extraction.


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Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: Cannashroom]
    #8055666 - 02/22/08 09:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Cannashroom said:
Furthermore, with my last extraction the bark powder/water didn't seem to settle out as much where in this one the bark powder is easily seen all at the bottom, then there is black liquid then more purple foamy liquid/emulsion then a layer of solvent. When I took the solvent last night it was quite emulsified so didn't get all of it, but i still thought something would precipitate out.

Do i need a higher pH? Should/could I add more lye before and mix before i take the solvent from the second pull, or should it take solvent and see what I get, or take solvent and then make it more alkaline?




If nothing's coming out, then yeah, try adding a little more base. Did you actually measure the pH of your water, or just calculate what it should be based on the NaOH you used? (I ask because I've never seen anything read over pH 14).

Sounds like the bark settling to the bottom is the issue though; DMT isn't soluble in the basic water, so it's probably sitting down with the bark too.... maybe try to stir your solvent down deep into the aqueous phase so it can pick up all that DMT at the bottom?


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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8055675 - 02/22/08 09:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So I added more lye, probably 5x as much as in the begging and now it is not settling as much, and the emulsions are gone. I think the bark may have lowered the pH, because i only measured the pH of the water before adding the bark. Now the bark is not settling as much so I added more naphtha and am rolling the jar a lot. Is it Ok to shake it? Or should I only roll it, or what is the best way to extract that dmt?


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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: Cannashroom]
    #8055683 - 02/22/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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hopefully i will get some because i don't want a failed extraction.




Have faith, young padawan. The spice will come out.

That's the beauty of these DMT extractions: unless you throw away your lye-water bark mixture, then you'll always be able to recover the spice; either it's in your nonpolar or it's in the lye-water mix. If it ain't in the nonpolar solvent, add more base and extract agin (also let the empty naphtha evaporate down to a very small volume and combine it with your second pull for precipitation, in case there's a small amount in there there is too dilute to precipitate.


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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: Cannashroom]
    #8055692 - 02/22/08 09:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Is it Ok to shake it?




NO! Haven't you read your teks? Shaking the stuff will make a horrible emulsion that'll take days to seperate.

Stir, roll, or swirl. Never shake.

Edit: This thread probably belongs in the Chem/Pharm forum


Edited by Entropymancer (02/22/08 09:51 AM)


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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8055767 - 02/22/08 10:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I evaporated the solvent from pull 2 to a small amount, and evaporated everything from failed freeze precipitation 1. There is some crystal from the first pull, so I will add some warm naphtha and add to the new solvent along with pull 2. What is the best way to warm naphtha for doing a recrystallization, or should i just use some of the solvent from pull 3?


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Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

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Re: Advice on Extraction #2 [Re: Cannashroom]
    #8055825 - 02/22/08 10:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you've got a crockpot, using that as a hot water bath is probably the safest kitchen-chem method for heating naptha. From entheogenist's recrystallization tek,

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"The naphtha needs to be hot in order to dissolve the DMT, so we have to use a water bath, since naphtha is VERY flammable.
Fill your crockpot with enough water so that when you place the sealed mason jar in the water, the level of the water is half an inch or so above the level of naphtha. If the jar floats in the water, it's okay.

Remove the jar from the water while heating. No need to heat the water to boiling, just piping hot. We don't want to get it too, hot, since the naphtha is in a sealed container. When the water is hot, place the naphtha jar in the water for 15 minutes.

While the naphtha is heating, sprinkle the DMT powder on the bottom of the second mason jar. After the naphtha is heated, pour it into the jar with the DMT and seal the jar. Swirl the liquid around until all the DMT is dissolved."




Frankly I question the wisdom of heating it in a sealed container... I think it's a better idea to adapt your lid so the naphtha fumes vent through a piece of tubing; just bubble it through some vegetable oil or something, that ought to eliminate the fumes to a large extent. A more ghetto solution would be attaching a bag or large balloon over the top of the jar so you can see when pressure is building up.


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