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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#8053482 - 02/21/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: prickly particles FTW!
gooey waves too of course.
at the subatomic level, are particles not waves? (and vise versa)
ooh the connection!
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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: deranger]
#8053754 - 02/21/08 08:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol, i don't think i get that one.
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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#8054487 - 02/21/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol, i don't think i get that one.
That's because you are not a chicken.
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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: deranger]
#8054506 - 02/21/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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SyntheticMInd said:
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Tchan909 said: I don't plan on being silent.
silence brings awareness, without awareness how do you plan on gaining any knowledge of consciousness?
Perhaps he is one of the people who hasn't ruled out consciousness strictly being a product of the brain, so why wouldn't poking around and studying the brain help him gain knowledge about consciousness? Even if the knowledge is of what consciousness isn't, it is still knowledge.
Edit: Oh, there are two pages that I seemed to have missed.. oh well.
Edit's edit: It's been resolved, disregard.
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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Bernackums]
#8054560 - 02/21/08 11:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Consciousness without a correlating biological mechanism is a ridiculous 'theory' as it can never be tested nor is there a single data point to back it up.
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i like the beginning of this thread although "aware of awareness" is more like self consciousness or a kind of awakening. and some of biology is essential. and stream of consciousness is pertinent.
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I don't think anyone has put that theory forth here.
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I am guilty of the first ever non-sequitur in P&S history.
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But would you say gumdrops are conscious?
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Only the cherry-flavored ones.
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does a gumdrop have the buddha nature? this could be a koan.
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An ice cream koan?
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"What is consciousness?" consciousness asks. "What is nothing?", being asks. "What what what?", questions ask. "This this this", answers give us new questions.
Interestingly you're asking "what is consciousness?" at a time when that quesiton usually means "how is consciousness?" The scientists and laymen all want to know how consciousness is, how it ticks, what can be proven, which chemicals do what, how is it to be a bat or a man or a woodpecker, but who cares what it is? Few, if any. Maybe we don't even know how to understands 'whats' anymore. Even if you know the "how", you may never know or understand "the what". There's no better way to forget the "what" than by focusing on "how".
Study the mind all you want. Consciousness studies, cognitive studies, philosophy of mind, drugs, Buddhism...there are many ways, no overview, although some like to reduce the others to such and such. Have a good bullshit detector on when you do look for answers about, or study, consciousness. That is, unless you really want to delve into some specific scientific or medical field. For me the best way to study consciousness was by studying those things I mentioned above. They unlearned everything I thought I knew and systematically destroyed (self-imploded if you like) all the dogmas they were teaching. ...Why else would I be such a radicial skepticist, so radical that I have no suspicions at all?
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Like an eggcube.
I had one the other day due to a fridge accident.
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OrgoneConclusion said: An ice cream koan?
If ice cream fell off its cone in the forest, would you pick it up and eat it?
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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Lion]
#8055593 - 02/22/08 09:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Lion]
#8057910 - 02/22/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: An ice cream koan?
If ice cream fell off its cone in the forest, would you pick it up and eat it?
HHhhhhhmmmmmm.... Not sure if the 5-second rule applies for ice cream, I will have to look up the official rules....  Until then, carry on as though it applies.... 
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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8058226 - 02/22/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Depends on the season and temperature.
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