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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8052992 - 02/21/08 06:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We don't know everything about the brain. In fact, a cursory glance at what we do know will tell you there's far more we don't know than do. A lot of it mystifies me. What is so strange about that?

Stating that current science can't explain everything that exists is most certainly not invoking magical explanations like aether.


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8053045 - 02/21/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We cannot objectify the inner workings of the mind and experience, thinking we can do so is the biggest of delusion.


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: deranger]
    #8053058 - 02/21/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Says who?


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8053126 - 02/21/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think what he's saying is that experience is integral to everything we call objectivity, because what we call objective reality is in itself a concept that stems from direct experience of consciousness.


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8053155 - 02/21/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

exactly!!


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: deranger]
    #8053174 - 02/21/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That is true. So what? There are things we don't understand. Such has it always been. What we call "objectivity" constantly expands along with our understanding. Is that so hard for you to wrap your head around?


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8053210 - 02/21/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:What we call "objectivity" constantly expands along with our understanding. Is that so hard for you to wrap your head around?




but what i am trying to say is... what brings us more of an understanding of reality, indulging in our synthetic construction that is objective reality, or being more aware of that which creates our creation?


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: deranger]
    #8053221 - 02/21/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree with your assumption that they are mutually exclusive.


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8053227 - 02/21/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That is true. So what? There are things we don't understand. Such has it always been. What we call "objectivity" constantly expands along with our understanding. Is that so hard for you to wrap your head around?




No. But saying that there are things we don't undestand is not the same as saying the whole is greater than the sum of its parts; the former is completely reasonable, while the latter smacks of violating the first law of thermodynamics.


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8053243 - 02/21/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I disagree with your assumption that they are mutually exclusive.




this was not my assumption..

can we understand a dream more by indulging in the dream world or becoming lucid?


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: deranger]
    #8053247 - 02/21/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps both! Each in moderation. :grin: That way scientific pursuit can co-exist with a humbleness to the silence of mystery. :psychsplit:


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8053255 - 02/21/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

that was my original thought, i just wanted to state the importance of something that tends to be forgotten...


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8053258 - 02/21/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you.

I don't understand why a rational curiosity about the deep dark unknowns inherent in consciousness should be so damned controversial.


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: deranger]
    #8053261 - 02/21/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:japsmile:


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: AlteredAgain]
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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: deranger]
    #8053313 - 02/21/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



:drugnerd:


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8053353 - 02/21/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you created a ruckus in the wave :crankey:


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: deranger]
    #8053382 - 02/21/08 07:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

prickly particles FTW!

gooey waves too of course. :thumbup:


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: Liquid_Dimension]
    #8053402 - 02/21/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

First one starts with a bunch or conscion particles then arranges them in a crystalline matrix...


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Re: What is Consciousness? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8053419 - 02/21/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey, you wrote it first! :mad2:


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