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 Does this upset you? 
#8050894 - 02/21/08 08:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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India's richest man is building the world's most expensive house, valued at $1 billion.
A ONE BILLION DOLLAR house... In a nation with some of the starkest poverty in the world.
For comparison, the mansions in Bel Air and Beverly Hills, CA are about $3 million at the low end and $40 million at the high end.
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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8050898 - 02/21/08 08:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder when/if India will ever have a Revolution
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8050899 - 02/21/08 08:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do I take issue with it? Have problems with it? Find it ludicrous? Sure. But I'm not quite sure it -upsets- me.
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Yea man.. if it's your money.. do as you will... It would upset me if he was using TAX money or something but hell.. if it's YOUR money, you can do whtever the fuck you want.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8050903 - 02/21/08 08:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lion said:
India's richest man is
I'm going to guess he runs half the shitty call centers in the world 
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8050908 - 02/21/08 08:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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perhaps a buddha will be born in that house.
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
Do I take issue with it? Have problems with it? Find it ludicrous? Sure. But I'm not quite sure it -upsets- me.
That's understandable. There are worse things happening in the world, and people with much more malicious agendas. Still, it's such a sign of gross excess...unless he's planning on housing a couple thousand peasants in that palace.
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8050937 - 02/21/08 08:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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For that price, maybe everyone in India will be able to live there. 
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perhaps a buddha will be born in that house.
Perhaps 10 Buddhas would be born if he only spent $100 million on his house and invested the other $900 million in shelter and sustainable living for a few of the millions of homeless in the country!
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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 Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8050977 - 02/21/08 09:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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touche.
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the contrast between the rich and the poor in India is MiNdBoGgLinG!!
You're right, he should downsize and give most of the money for homeless shelters. Really though, the most important thing India could do now would be to start building their infrastructure. If only they had roads and running water, they'd have a foot in the International commerce door.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Jeebies]
#8051202 - 02/21/08 10:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is why I think we should be able to put a cap on accumulation of wealth, say 1 billion dollars, or a certain percentage of total world income somewhere in that ballpark.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051212 - 02/21/08 10:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I had 22 billion dollars. Id still live in a complete shithole.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051369 - 02/21/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lion said:
Still, it's such a sign of gross excess...unless he's planning on housing a couple thousand peasants in that palace.
The lower couple of floors are going to be servant quarters, kitchens, etc. All in all several hundred, if not over a thousand employees if I remember correctly. Isn't his house going to be like 50 stories tall?
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If I had 22 billion dollars. Id still live in a complete shithole.
I wouldn't live in a shithole... but a nice home out in the middle of nowhere? Count me in.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
#8051403 - 02/21/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is why I think we should be able to put a cap on accumulation of wealth, say 1 billion dollars, or a certain percentage of total world income somewhere in that ballpark.
You can't force charity.
Don't you believe we have a right to spend the money we earn on whatever we want?
I don't make a hell of a lot, but I make many times more than I need to keep myself alive. My car, my computer, my books, my music... these are all luxuries, in a world where some are starving. I give a small amount to charity, but I could give much more if only I didn't indulge in these extras.
But it's my money and I believe I have a right to it.
Whenever I hear someone propose a 'cap' on how much excess wealth one should be allowed to accumulate, it's always a figure well above their own income, implying that hoarding resources is something that only very rich people do.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051412 - 02/21/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here is the house:
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I think it's totally ridiculous, but in his own right to spend his money on whatever lavish thing he wants.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Kada]
#8051422 - 02/21/08 11:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey, Gods and Clods, am i right?
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: BrAiN]
#8051454 - 02/21/08 11:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea man.. if it's your money.. do as you will... It would upset me if he was using TAX money or something but hell.. if it's YOUR money, you can do whtever the fuck you want.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
#8051477 - 02/21/08 11:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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For the record, I don't have any strong opinions about putting a cap on income...I definitely think it would be reasonable to ensure through legislation that no one human beings has more wealth than an entire nation, but I don't know enough about economics to argue in favor of something like that.
It's more that I'm just disgusted with the ways many wealthy people spend their money. Just a personal thing.
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
#8051483 - 02/21/08 11:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's his fucking money, why should it piss anyone off?
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Innominate]
#8051520 - 02/21/08 11:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's his fucking money, why should it piss anyone off?
That and the contractors, landscapers, architects, etc. all will be making a living off this financial spending. It trickles down, but it still pisses me off to extent that someone so fortunate wishes to have three helipads when there are people starving, even in his own country.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: WScott]
#8051523 - 02/21/08 11:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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We're all assuming this man does not give to charity. Why?
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didn't the US just spend 10mil on one space bullet?
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Even if he does give to charity...He is still spending one thousand million dollars on a personal abode.
It's just a personal value judgment on my part, of course.
Also, the guy inherited money from his father's success, he did not make it himself.
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051556 - 02/21/08 11:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The good thing is that his house will be employing about 600 workers to run it. That's 600 people that will have jobs you know. But it is still rididculous, I mean, $1 billion house. The money wasn't eve earned by him, it was his father, I bet his father would be like wtf, waste of money.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051561 - 02/21/08 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lion said:
For the record, I don't have any strong opinions about putting a cap on income...I definitely think it would be reasonable to ensure through legislation that no one human beings has more wealth than an entire nation, but I don't know enough about economics to argue in favor of something like that.
It's more that I'm just disgusted with the ways many wealthy people spend their money. Just a personal thing.
Its your right to be disgusted just as it's his right to have his billion dollar house.
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Out of the 1000 plus billionares in the world, how many do you honestly think came across that money ethically? Would it really effect their standard of living to cap their earnings?
I'm not gun-ho on this issue, I just think it's a rational safeguard to protect our society from abuse. Such wealth, and therefore power, seems like a major threat to democracy.
(This is all theoretical, so if anyone disagrees, just give me your arguments opposing this viewpoint. I definitely empathize with the view that people should be able to spend what they earn, but many people who take this side can't really visualize how much money this really is that we're talking about.)
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051581 - 02/21/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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if i had that kind of money i would have a baller ass place like that too, although instead of a skyrise i would want a fucking castle or something with a ton of land and extravagent property. idk if id drop a billion on it though that seems like alot. dude prob has fucking plasma tvs inside the toilets so when he drops a number two and checks to make sure everythings alright he can check his stocks lol.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051609 - 02/21/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lion said:
Even if he does give to charity...He is still spending one thousand million dollars on a personal abode.
25% of Indians earn less than 40 cents a day. I spent the annual income of one of these people, in one night, on a fancy dinner and a concert not long ago. Is that appalling? Should I be ashamed?
Where is the line between what is reasonable and what is extravagant?
Which side do you think you're on?
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
#8051612 - 02/21/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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plus: he will die before i do.
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Ok but should he feel bad because he has money and those people don't? Should I feel bad because I make more than them? As far as I know there is nothing preventing those people from saving up some money and starting life anew in the US or somewhere where they can have a better life and a chance at wealth. Even if those people are stuck that way, is it anyone's fault? Should any one person feel guilty? NO! That's a government issue, not a personal one. Don't hate on this guy for being lucky.
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Which side do you think you're on?
I'm not on anyone's side. I don't have much money but I don't indulge much with my spending, and I give plenty of it away when there's someone or some cause I think is worthwhile. I guess I am definitely on the side of not spending one thousand million dollars on a personal abode.
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Innominate]
#8051660 - 02/21/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's his choice, but I still think it's pretty damn stupid.
How in the hell is going to keep up with those costs? He's going to have to pay so many workers, and pay sooo much to maintain that house. Not to mention it's going to be a pain in the ass to get around that house. And even he does find a way to get around, a lot of it will be under construction all the time because there are so many opportunities for shit to go wrong. He'll probably forget he has some stuff too and neglect it.
The other thing that's stupid about it, is that when you invest in society you benefit not just them but YOU. He'll have a nice pretty home, but his neighborhood is still going to be cruddy. Depressing things are still going to happen around him. There still won't be much to do outside of his house. If he wants to live luxuriously, he's always going to have to stay in his house unless he travels really far. But his money won't last, and will definitely run out far quicker if he has to go to Japan all the time to visit his favorite park or whatever.
He will only live luxuriously in the short term. And if he stays indoors all the time.
He's not greedy per se, just not a good planner.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Innominate]
#8051671 - 02/21/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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As far as I know there is nothing preventing those people from saving up some money and starting life anew in the US or somewhere where they can have a better life and a chance at wealth.
Any person below India's poverty line, who was somehow able to save 50% of his income, would need to save for about 40 years just for a plane ticket to the US. The immigration process isn't exactly a picnic either, but he'd never make it to that point.
Don't kid yourself; most people do not have a chance at monetary wealth.
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But you didn't address my point. Even if that is true, how is hating this guy for his wealth going to help? Would it be fair to take HIS money away from him to help fix the problems of his country? That's bullshit. It has nothing to do with him, his government needs to get their shit together.
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Honestly I think anyone who is upset with this guy is just secretly jelous that they don't have that kind of cash, becuase if they did they would spend it on much 'worthier causes'. 
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
#8051726 - 02/21/08 12:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Money is just a numeral system to measure access to resources. I don't think the way everything is set up now, we are effectively using our Earth, which we all own. We control its use and can decide to stop these individuals from wasting what could be utilized better. We are just all too used to a society where we have to take our power and people own other people in effect. I hope this will change to some extent within my lifetime.
I know this is viewed as extremism by most people, but it's what I really think and wouldn't sound crazy at all if it were the world we were brought up in.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
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Money is just a numeral system to measure access to resources. I don't think the way everything is set up now, we are effectively using our Earth, which we all own. We control its use and can decide to stop these individuals from wasting what could be out to better use. We are just all too used to a society where we have to take our power and people own other people in effect. I hope this will change to some extent within my lifetime.
So your a communist right?
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
#8051743 - 02/21/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Money is just a numeral system to measure access to resources. I don't think the way everything is set up now, we are effectively using our Earth, which we all own. We control its use and can decide to stop these individuals from wasting what could be out to better use. We are just all too used to a society where we have to take our power and people own other people in effect. I hope this will change to some extent within my lifetime.
So your a communist right?
Communist, socialist, something along those lines, but my views differ greatly on the application of theory.
At the very minumum, I think a world government could supply food and land to everyone alive without receiving anything back.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
#8051746 - 02/21/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are leaving out a ton of other variables and influences. It would be great if it all could work out like that, but that's just not the reality of the situation, and it won't be changed anytime soon.
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bradmassive
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
#8051750 - 02/21/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Money is just a numeral system to measure access to resources. I don't think the way everything is set up now, we are effectively using our Earth, which we all own. We control its use and can decide to stop these individuals from wasting what could be out to better use. We are just all too used to a society where we have to take our power and people own other people in effect. I hope this will change to some extent within my lifetime.
So your a communist right?
Communist, socialist, something along those lines, but my views differ greatly on the application of theory.
At the very minumum, I think a world government could supply food and land to everyone alive without receiving anything back.
IMO you are the worst kind of fairytale-nonsense idealist hippie. (please don't ban me for my opinion fascist mods!)
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Ferris
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
#8051770 - 02/21/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can't express a viewpoint? It's not like I'm proposing action on the subject. It's not outside of the grasp of possible outcomes, and the only thing keeping it from being possible is inertia of old habits. People can change.
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bradmassive
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
#8051780 - 02/21/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can't express a viewpoint? It's not like I'm proposing action on the subject. It's not outside of the grasp of possible outcomes, and the only thing keeping it from being possible is inertia of old habits. People can change.
You can express what you like as long as I'm afforded the same freedom. I just happen to think world government is a very bad idea as is relying on the government to supply the world with food and aid.
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"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -
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Broooodward
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
#8051847 - 02/21/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Money isn't necessarily what people need to live happily, and India's problems are more related to the government being super inefficient at doing anything, their country is way to crowded, and i don't think the british helped the situation.
This man who made his own money is not the problem for indians.
If people want change, they have to make things happen themselves.
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Lion
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Broooodward]
#8051854 - 02/21/08 01:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Money isn't necessarily what people need to live happily, and India's problems are more related to the government being super inefficient at doing anything, their country is way to crowded, and i don't think the british helped the situation.
This man who made his own money is not the problem for indians.
If people want change, they have to make things happen themselves.
I agree with the sentiment, except for 2 things:
1) He didn't make his own money, he inherited it.
2) People making 40 cents a day do not have much power to change the status quo. It is the wealthy who have the power to do that.
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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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bradmassive
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Broooodward]
#8051873 - 02/21/08 01:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Money isn't necessarily what people need to live happily, and India's problems are more related to the government being super inefficient at doing anything, their country is way to crowded, and i don't think the british helped the situation.
This man who made his own money is not the problem for indians.
If people want change, they have to make things happen themselves.
Those British fucks did'nt help. To be fair their own cast system is fucked up and they don't help themselves. Is that any of my business though? Not really.
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"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -
Edited by bradmassive (02/21/08 02:36 PM)
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WhiskeyClone
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Innominate]
#8052131 - 02/21/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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But you didn't address my point. Even if that is true, how is hating this guy for his wealth going to help? Would it be fair to take HIS money away from him to help fix the problems of his country? That's bullshit.
On that I agree with you
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bradmassive
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8052163 - 02/21/08 02:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Broooodward said:
Money isn't necessarily what people need to live happily, and India's problems are more related to the government being super inefficient at doing anything, their country is way to crowded, and i don't think the british helped the situation.
This man who made his own money is not the problem for indians.
If people want change, they have to make things happen themselves.
I agree with the sentiment, except for 2 things:
1) He didn't make his own money, he inherited it.
2) People making 40 cents a day do not have much power to change the status quo. It is the wealthy who have the power to do that.
1)Who gives a fuck how he got his money or how he chooses to spend it. How do you have some moral high ground here? Get off your high horse!
2) Its exactly that victim mentality that robs those people of thier individual power which each and every one of them has (Ghandi being a prime example).
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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson
"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -
Edited by bradmassive (02/21/08 02:49 PM)
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8052191 - 02/21/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Which side do you think you're on?
I'm not on anyone's side. I don't have much money but I don't indulge much with my spending, and I give plenty of it away when there's someone or some cause I think is worthwhile. I guess I am definitely on the side of not spending one thousand million dollars on a personal abode.
You see my point though, right? I just don't think it's fair to criticize others' indulgences when we all partake in them. We can all do more to help others, but is it immoral not to? Your personal spending is morally sound, but his is not?
How many frivolously spent dollars does it take before we condemn someone for it? Or is it ever fair to do that, given that it is their money?
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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.
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