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InvisibleFerris
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
    #8051743 - 02/21/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ferris said:
Money is just a numeral system to measure access to resources. I don't think the way everything is set up now, we are effectively using our Earth, which we all own. We control its use and can decide to stop these individuals from wasting what could be out to better use. We are just all too used to a society where we have to take our power and people own other people in effect. I hope this will change to some extent within my lifetime.





So your a communist right?




Communist, socialist, something along those lines, but my views differ greatly on the application of theory.

At the very minumum, I think a world government could supply food and land to everyone alive without receiving anything back.


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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
    #8051746 - 02/21/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You are leaving out a ton of other variables and influences. It would be great if it all could work out like that, but that's just not the reality of the situation, and it won't be changed anytime soon.


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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
    #8051750 - 02/21/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ferris said:
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bradmassive said:
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Ferris said:
Money is just a numeral system to measure access to resources. I don't think the way everything is set up now, we are effectively using our Earth, which we all own. We control its use and can decide to stop these individuals from wasting what could be out to better use. We are just all too used to a society where we have to take our power and people own other people in effect. I hope this will change to some extent within my lifetime.





So your a communist right?




Communist, socialist, something along those lines, but my views differ greatly on the application of theory.

At the very minumum, I think a world government could supply food and land to everyone alive without receiving anything back.




IMO you are the worst kind of fairytale-nonsense idealist hippie. (please don't ban me for my opinion fascist mods!)


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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
    #8051770 - 02/21/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I can't express a viewpoint? It's not like I'm proposing action on the subject. It's not outside of the grasp of possible outcomes, and the only thing keeping it from being possible is inertia of old habits. People can change.


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Invisiblebradmassive
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
    #8051780 - 02/21/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ferris said:
I can't express a viewpoint? It's not like I'm proposing action on the subject. It's not outside of the grasp of possible outcomes, and the only thing keeping it from being possible is inertia of old habits. People can change.




You can express what you like as long as I'm afforded the same freedom. I just happen to think world government is a very bad idea as is relying on the government to supply the world with food and aid.


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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
    #8051847 - 02/21/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Money isn't necessarily what people need to live happily, and India's problems are more related to the government being super inefficient at doing anything, their country is way to crowded, and i don't think the british helped the situation.

This man who made his own money is not the problem for indians.

If people want change, they have to make things happen themselves.


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I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.


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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Broooodward]
    #8051854 - 02/21/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Broooodward said:
Money isn't necessarily what people need to live happily, and India's problems are more related to the government being super inefficient at doing anything, their country is way to crowded, and i don't think the british helped the situation.

This man who made his own money is not the problem for indians.

If people want change, they have to make things happen themselves.


I agree with the sentiment, except for 2 things:

1) He didn't make his own money, he inherited it.

2) People making 40 cents a day do not have much power to change the status quo. It is the wealthy who have the power to do that.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Invisiblebradmassive
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Broooodward]
    #8051873 - 02/21/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Broooodward said:
Money isn't necessarily what people need to live happily, and India's problems are more related to the government being super inefficient at doing anything, their country is way to crowded, and i don't think the british helped the situation.

This man who made his own money is not the problem for indians.

If people want change, they have to make things happen themselves.




Those British fucks did'nt help. To be fair their own cast system is fucked up and they don't help themselves. Is that any of my business though? Not really.


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"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -


Edited by bradmassive (02/21/08 02:36 PM)


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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Innominate]
    #8052131 - 02/21/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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But you didn't address my point. Even if that is true, how is hating this guy for his wealth going to help? Would it be fair to take HIS money away from him to help fix the problems of his country? That's bullshit.




On that I agree with you


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Invisiblebradmassive
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
    #8052163 - 02/21/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Lion said:
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Broooodward said:
Money isn't necessarily what people need to live happily, and India's problems are more related to the government being super inefficient at doing anything, their country is way to crowded, and i don't think the british helped the situation.

This man who made his own money is not the problem for indians.

If people want change, they have to make things happen themselves.


I agree with the sentiment, except for 2 things:

1) He didn't make his own money, he inherited it.

2) People making 40 cents a day do not have much power to change the status quo. It is the wealthy who have the power to do that.




1)Who gives a fuck how he got his money or how he chooses to spend it. How do you have some moral high ground here? Get off your high horse!

2) Its exactly that victim mentality that robs those people of thier individual power which each and every one of them has (Ghandi being a prime example).


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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson

"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -


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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
    #8052191 - 02/21/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Which side do you think you're on?



I'm not on anyone's side. I don't have much money but I don't indulge much with my spending, and I give plenty of it away when there's someone or some cause I think is worthwhile. I guess I am definitely on the side of not spending one thousand million dollars on a personal abode.




You see my point though, right? I just don't think it's fair to criticize others' indulgences when we all partake in them. We can all do more to help others, but is it immoral not to? Your personal spending is morally sound, but his is not?

How many frivolously spent dollars does it take before we condemn someone for it? Or is it ever fair to do that, given that it is their money?


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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